New MARVEL attractions to Disney Parks

[PolynesianPrincess]

Personally, I'm a big fan of the Avengers. I think it would fit perfectly into Hollywood Studios. They need more family friendly stuff and young boys love comic books and superheroes. And after all, DHS is a park about MOVIES. An Avengers / Marvel themed land would be perfect for it. Unfortunately, I do not see that happening anytime soon. Uni would be crazy to give up their Marvel attractions especially now. With how big of a hit the movie is, I guanrantee more kids are going to ask to go to IOA to see the Marvel characters (I know Captain America is one of the characters they have out for meet and greets) The Hulk coaster is there as well. I think IOA will get a business boost for sure from this even though all the attractions aren't Avenger themed.

 

[GLaDOS]

Interesting that someone noted above that Universal is not exploiting the success of The Avengers to hype Super Hero Island. Very interesting indeed.:lookaroun

How in the bloody hell is it even remotely interesting? The movie has been out for a week. Were they supposed to have a commercial made right away?

And even then, they have a commercial out that shows The Hulk and Spider-man in it. They're obviously ready to give up the characters!

 

[lebeau]

:brick:

You are killing me.

Obviously they can't put Avenger characters in the parks at WDW (although I would note they can put them at DL and have also choosen not to) because they are featured at IOA.

HOWEVER, many of us believe they will use Marvel characters that are NOT featured at IoA. Especially if the contract clearlt states they can. Disney has already stated they will be developing new characters through Marvel. Obviously these are unaffected by the contract.

Interesting that someone noted above that Universal is not exploiting the success of The Avengers to hype Super Hero Island. Very interesting indeed.:lookaroun

And you're killing me! (Well, not really. But you get the point.)

The funniest thing anyone can say about Marvel is that they are developing new characters for theme park use. Marvel hasn't created a popular character outside of the Avengers, X-Men and Spider-man families in decades. If a character gets even a little popularity outside of this group, they join the Avengers.

As to what Disney can and can't do and which characters are or are not covered by the contract, that's open to interpretation. It certainly does not "clearly state" that Disney can have Marvel characters walking around their parks in Orlando.

Yeah, they can do whatever they want in Annaheim. And yet, they still haven't. I think that speaks volumes. disney is going to roll out Marvel overseas. If they show up in a domestic park (which they probably will eventually) it will be out west. And then, maybe someday in the distant future, the status quo will change to allow them to come to FL.

If you read the tea leaves in such a way to interpret Universal NOT promoting the Avengers movie (in spite of the fact that only one character in that movie has any attraction in Universal's park) then there is no reasoning with you.

Of course I already knew that.

 

[lebeau]

How in the bloody hell is it even remotely interesting? The movie has been out for a week. Were they supposed to have a commercial made right away?

And even then, they have a commercial out that shows The Hulk and Spider-man in it. They're obviously ready to give up the characters!

Remember jt went on for about a year about how Universal would just hand over the Marvel rights. He had some kind of convoluted theory and said "Coke and Pepsi" a lot. None of it made any sense at all.

His theory on Sony handing over the Spider-man film rights (which they fought for in court for years and have had tremendous financial success with in the past) was about the craziest and most delusional thing I have ever seen on these boards. And he fought with me tooth and nail over that one in spite of the fact Sony had already announced their plans to make Amazing Spider-man. jt insisted it would never actually get made.

 

[GLaDOS]

Remember jt went on for about a year about how Universal would just hand over the Marvel rights. He had some kind of convoluted theory and said "Coke and Pepsi" a lot. None of it made any sense at all.

His theory on Sony handing over the Spider-man film rights (which they fought for in court for years and have had tremendous financial success with in the past) was about the craziest and most delusional thing I have ever seen on these boards. And he fought with me tooth and nail over that one in spite of the fact Sony had already announced their plans to make Amazing Spider-man. jt insisted it would never actually get made.

Yea, I've gathered he's a bit unreasonable. But I want to throw some reality into the situation before the impressionable people start running around proclaiming Marvel is coming from WDW and the evil Universal will be crying into their butterbeer.

 

[jt04]

And you're killing me! (Well, not really. But you get the point.)

The funniest thing anyone can say about Marvel is that they are developing new characters for theme park use. Marvel hasn't created a popular character outside of the Avengers, X-Men and Spider-man families in decades. If a character gets even a little popularity outside of this group, they join the Avengers.

As to what Disney can and can't do and which characters are or are not covered by the contract, that's open to interpretation. It certainly does not "clearly state" that Disney can have Marvel characters walking around their parks in Orlando.

Yeah, they can do whatever they want in Annaheim. And yet, they still haven't. I think that speaks volumes. disney is going to roll out Marvel overseas. If they show up in a domestic park (which they probably will eventually) it will be out west. And then, maybe someday in the distant future, the status quo will change to allow them to come to FL.

If you read the tea leaves in such a way to interpret Universal NOT promoting the Avengers movie (in spite of the fact that only one character in that movie has any attraction in Universal's park) then there is no reasoning with you.

Of course I already knew that.

Pixar made a rat popular. Just saying. :lol:

Marvel will develop new characters. And they will be successful. They likely will be able to change the image of what has traditionally fit the comic book genre. There are no limitations at this point.

And there are many rumors about what is next from Disney's Marvel Division.

I am going to love being right again.


PS- Amazon is offering the complete Potter series through their lending library for those who own a Kindle. Oh, and it is free. No charge. Gratis.

:lookaroun

 

[Disday]

lebeu, I'm not asking you to explain the SEC filing, since that isn't the real contract. But you claim to know about what is in the actual contract. Could you please be more specific? The SEC filing was a rough outline. The actual contract would be much more specific - like the exact characters that are being used. It would also have the correct names of the attractions and Island. We know that it isn't called Marvel Universe. So, where in the contract does it specify that it is perpetual. If you have a copy of it, please share it with us.

 

[lebeau]

Yea, I've gathered he's a bit unreasonable. But I want to throw some reality into the situation before the impressionable people start running around proclaiming Marvel is coming from WDW and the evil Universal will be crying into their butterbeer.

I appreciate someone else providing a dose of reality around here. These Marvel threads are so frustrating! They are always so full of mis-information in spite of the facts that are readily available and have been for quite some time.

Wishful thinking and the power of self-delusion should not be under-estimated.

 

[lebeau]

Pixar made a rat popular. Just saying. :lol:

True but irrelevant. Marvel has been trying (and failing) to create a popular new character for decades. So has DC. But comic book fans are too attached to the existing characters to give new characters a chance. So the only new characters who have any level of popularity at all are the ones with connections to existing favorites.

That could change. But history suggests it will not.

Marvel will develop new characters. And they will be successful. They likely will be able to change the image of what has traditionally fit the comic book genre. There are no limitations at this point.

Wow.

What do you see changing that will make the next new Marvel creation more popular than the ones Marvel has been trying to create since the Silver Age?

And there are many rumors about what is next from Disney's Marvel Division.

I am going to love being right again.

I'm sure you will. Since it will be the first time that has ever happened with regards to Marvel.

Or you could just keep being wrong as you have every time the subject has come up.

 

[lebeau]

lebeu, I'm not asking you to explain the SEC filing, since that isn't the real contract. But you claim to know about what is in the actual contract. Could you please be more specific? The SEC filing was a rough outline. The actual contract would be much more specific - like the exact characters that are being used. It would also have the correct names of the attractions and Island. We know that it isn't called Marvel Universe. So, where in the contract does it specify that it is perpetual. If you have a copy of it, please share it with us.

I made no such claim. I have read the same filing everyone else has.

Do you seriously have any doubts that contract is perpetual? I have yet to see anyone (even the most deluded out there) attempt such an argument.

Seriously, you're making jt look reasonable by comparisson.

 

[GLaDOS]

PS- Amazon is offering the complete Potter series through their lending library for those who own a Kindle. Oh, and it is free. No charge. Gratis.

:lookaroun

Only for Amazon+ members. So no, not free.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Up here, we see a lot of Uni ads. Same as we usually do this time of year. Harry Potter is the star. But Spider-man is the second-most featured character in the ads.

I agree that this is wishful thinking.

Yeah, I see Universal ads all the time. I'm seeing more Disney ads lately but they're not advertising marquee attractions in the Disney World ads, they are definitely geared towards families.

Also, for the first time I can recall, I say a Disneyland ad. Last night during Modern Family, there was an ad for Carsland. It was definitely aimed at children, but it was interesting to see.

One of my biggest gripes has been Disney's unwillingness to advertise their new marquee attractions outside of Florida. They wonder why people didn't come in droves to see Star Tours 2.0 in Florida. It's because nobody knew about it. The campaign they ran in California was great, and something similar could have been duplicated up and down the east coast. Instead we see ads that feature the Flying Carpets of Aladdin and the Teacups.

 

[jt04]

True but irrelevant. Marvel has been trying (and failing) to create a popular new character for decades. So has DC. But comic book fans are too attached to the existing characters to give new characters a chance. So the only new characters who have any level of popularity at all are the ones with connections to existing favorites.

That could change. But history suggests it will not.



Wow.

What do you see changing that will make the next new Marvel creation more popular than the ones Marvel has been trying to create since the Silver Age?



I'm sure you will. Since it will be the first time that has ever happened with regards to Marvel.

Or you could just keep being wrong as you have every time the subject has come up.

Marvel is under new management. Perhaps you hadn't heard.

That means the division can be properly capitalized. That means they can develop characters and strorylines for a younger audience that are not steeped in traditional Marvel content.

Disney has owned Pixar for several years now. Though you may still not see Pixar as a Disney brand it is almost an impossibility that young people would not see Pixar as Disney. Especially franchises like Toy Story and Cars. And now of course there will be Carsland at the DLR.

Disney will allow Marvel to develop new charcters and they will be popular with new generations. And they will be in the parks. Even at WDW. Sooner rather than later.

Just my opinion. :wave:

 

[StageFrenzy]

Yeah, I see Universal ads all the time. I'm seeing more Disney ads lately but they're not advertising marquee attractions in the Disney World ads, they are definitely geared towards families.

Also, for the first time I can recall, I say a Disneyland ad. Last night during Modern Family, there was an ad for Carsland. It was definitely aimed at children, but it was interesting to see.

One of my biggest gripes has been Disney's unwillingness to advertise their new marquee attractions outside of Florida. They wonder why people didn't come in droves to see Star Tours 2.0 in Florida. It's because nobody knew about it. The campaign they ran in California was great, and something similar could have been duplicated up and down the east coast. Instead we see ads that feature the Flying Carpets of Aladdin and the Teacups.

And that freaking one republic song.....

 

[Ignohippo]

How in the bloody hell is it even remotely interesting? The movie has been out for a week. Were they supposed to have a commercial made right away?

And even then, they have a commercial out that shows The Hulk and Spider-man in it. They're obviously ready to give up the characters!

Um...The movie was in production for a couple of years. It's called planning. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what's on the slate of a major studio.

Like I said before, I work with the tv on all day and haven't seen a single Universal Orlando commercial in weeks that doesn't highlight Potter and completely minimize Marvel.

The commercial with Hulk and Spidey is years old, so I'd hardly call that something to take advantage the current state of Marvel.

If you want to reply to something I've posted, reply to my post. JT doesn't speak for me.

 

[lebeau]

Marvel is under new management. Perhaps you hadn't heard.

That means the division can be properly capitalized. That means they can develop characters and strorylines for a younger audience that are not steeped in traditional Marvel content.

:brick:

Do you have ANY idea how these things work? At all?

It was never a management issue. It's not even a creative issue. If it were, someone at either DC or Marvel would have been successful in creating a popular new character who wasn't affiliated with an established character or franchise some time in the last decade or so.

Do you even read comics?

Disney has owned Pixar for several years now. Though you may still not see Pixar as a Disney brand it is almost an impossibility that young people would not see Pixar as Disney. Especially franchises like Toy Story and Cars. And now of course there will be Carsland at the DLR.

I see Pixar as a Disney brand. I have no idea what you are talking about or how it is relevant to Marvel.

Disney will allow Marvel to develop new charcters and they will be popular with new generations. And they will be in the parks. Even at WDW. Sooner rather than later.

Just my opinion. :wave:

Do you have any evidence to support your opinion. Because history would indicate that Marvel will not create any popular new characters outside of their existing franchises. If they could, they would have done so many times over. But it's just not a realistic expectation.

 

[Ignohippo]

Marvel is under new management. Perhaps you hadn't heard.

That means the division can be properly capitalized. That means they can develop characters and strorylines for a younger audience that are not steeped in traditional Marvel content.

Disney has owned Pixar for several years now. Though you may still not see Pixar as a Disney brand it is almost an impossibility that young people would not see Pixar as Disney. Especially franchises like Toy Story and Cars. And now of course there will be Carsland at the DLR.

Disney will allow Marvel to develop new charcters and they will be popular with new generations. And they will be in the parks. Even at WDW. Sooner rather than later.

Just my opinion. :wave:

First of all, Marvel is "under new management". They're owned by Dinsey, but the management is the same.

Second, Pixar has always been distributed by Disney and has always been considered a part of Disney by most people.

As for new characters, I agree with you. I'm still really surprised Marvel didn't introduce a new character in The Avengers. It would have been the perfect opportunity (especially since Hawkeye doesn't really have much in common with the character from the comics).

In the end, I think it really speaks to Disney's overall apathy to getting the Marvel characters into WDW.

 

[lebeau]

Um...The movie was in production for a couple of years. It's called planning. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what's on the slate of a major studio.

Like I said before, I work with the tv on all day and haven't seen a single Universal Orlando commercial in weeks that doesn't highlight Potter and completely minimize Marvel.

The commercial with Hulk and Spidey is years old, so I'd hardly call that something to take advantage the current state of Marvel.

If you want to reply to something I've posted, reply to my post. JT doesn't speak for me.

Why would Universal base a marketing campaign around Disney's summer movie? There is virtually no overlap. I suspect if HP wasn't the runaway success that it is, Universal would probably feature Spider-man more prominently in their ads to tie into Amazing Spider-man. But even with the new film, HP is the star.

It's not an indication of something deeper. It's just understanding the market.

 

[71jason]

Anyone else notice how Uni Orlando is doing virtually no advertising right now? Seeing as how they usually plaster the airwaves, especially here in Tampa, you'd think they'd be trying to take advantage of The Avengers success.

I don't watch a lot of tv (and all that is DVR), but ads all over Orlando radio hyping the new parade/World of Color rip-off. They have their own thing going on right now.

Other than the Hulk--and I don't know that anyone expected him to be the breakout star of the movie--not a whole lot in IoA to tie into the movie, either. Would be a different story with walk-around Thor and Iron Man, but when this deal was signed, they were C-list characters. You'd have been laughed at for suggesting either might ever headline a blockbuster movie.

A lot could also be inferred by the lack of plans for The Transformers Ride coming to Orlando.

A lot of chatter over the past year suggests Transformers will be cloned behind MiB/Simpsons (where the tent houses go during HHN). They're just busy with another little project on the left side of the park at the moment.

 

[GLaDOS]

A lot of chatter over the past year suggests Transformers will be cloned behind MiB/Simpsons (where the tent houses go during HHN). They're just busy with another little project on the left side of the park at the moment.

I'd expect a Transformers something in the T2 area before it goes behind MIB/Simpsons.