New Main Street U.S.A bypass to be built to address entry and exit congestion at the Magic Kingdom

[RSoxNo1]

Adding capacity to Soarin' and DHS in many ways will compound the issues they are trying to solve - especially at DHS. Getting 1/3 more people through two headlining attractions faster means that those people are now in the pool of people in search of the next thing to do... and having more (meaning new/different) things to do is the real problems both parks are facing. Still, the extra throughput is a plus; but, will only payoff if/when additional attractions come online. TDO's heart is in the right place with this project... they've just got the timing all wrong.

I won't recap the Hub 2.0's "need" again; but, I will agree that the bypass part of it was needed. It's just the execution that is lacking.

The additional capacity at Soarin' and Toy Story Mania was absolutely needed. Having said that, they are making a worse issue in Epcot with Frozen Ever After. It has a lower capacity than Soarin' and is based around an IP that's the equivalent of crack for young girls. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Frozen Ever After is the worst creative and operational decision in the history of Walt Disney World.

 

[Bairstow]

The additional capacity at Soarin' and Toy Story Mania was absolutely needed. Having said that, they are making a worse issue in Epcot with Frozen Ever After. It has a lower capacity than Soarin' and is based around an IP that's the equivalent of crack for young girls. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Frozen Ever After is the worst creative and operational decision in the history of Walt Disney World.

The jury's still out on that one. Maybe they found some creative way to boost Maelstrom's capacity. Dual, Pirates-style loading stations? We'll see.
The bar has already been set pretty low by the current version of Imagination, the Big Dumb Hat at the Studios, and all the recent changes to the Polynesian Resort.

 

[Next Big Thing]

The jury's still out on that one. Maybe they found some creative way to boost Maelstrom's capacity. Dual, Pirates-style loading stations? We'll see.
The bar has already been set pretty low by the current version of Imagination, the Big Dumb Hat at the Studios, and all the recent changes to the Polynesian Resort.

It doesn't matter how many boats are loaded and ready to go, there still needs to be a certain amount of time between when each boat leaves the load area for it to run safely.

 

[Bairstow]

It doesn't matter how many boats are loaded and ready to go, there still needs to be a certain amount of time between when each boat leaves the load area for it to run safely.

It matters if the limiting factor was boat load time and not spacing after the turnarounds and drops.
I don't recall ever being held back at load, so I'm guessing there was plenty of cycle time to shaved off by dispatching more rapidly.

 

[mm52200]

It matters if the limiting factor was boat load time and not spacing after the turnarounds and drops.
I don't recall ever being held back at load, so I'm guessing there was plenty of cycle time to shaved off by dispatching more rapidly.

However I imagine if it uses the same track as Maelstrom including the whole sending you backwards bit, they can't just endlessly dispatch boats like Small World and Pirates and let them pile up at the end. It will have to require very specific intervals with the show scenes and other elements unlike those other attractions.

 

[Cesar R M]

It doesn't matter how many boats are loaded and ready to go, there still needs to be a certain amount of time between when each boat leaves the load area for it to run safely.

unless they unload one boat while loading the other in chain?

anyway, might as well just use a robot hand to pick up the guests and put them in the respective seats with 100% efficiency.

 

[ford91exploder]

The fours keys stated :

• Safety
• Courtesy
• Show
• Capacity/efficiency

So getting people out of the park Safely would trump show.
Getting people home Quickly is courteous thus trumping show and capacity.

The Four Keys today are as follows

Efficiency (How many guests can we cram in the MK without the fire marshal shutting us down)
Safety (Need to avoid lawsuits - they damage the brand)
Courtesy (Fake - ie Have a Magical Day after a TWDC screwup totally hosing some aspect of your vacation)
Show (this one is so far behind at Todays WDW I don't even know why it's mentioned)

 

[ford91exploder]

And eventually folks will figure out that the goal of a corporation is to make money for its shareholders. All the other things quoted ad infinitum in the posts are secondary to that goal.
Many corporations absorb brands and then take those brands to a point that bear no resemblance to the original. For better or worse, that's how it works.
If "good show" contributes to the corporate bottom line, it will persist. If not, it is simply branding and a fond memory.

Sadly these days you are correct.

 

[RSoxNo1]

The jury's still out on that one. Maybe they found some creative way to boost Maelstrom's capacity. Dual, Pirates-style loading stations? We'll see.
The bar has already been set pretty low by the current version of Imagination, the Big Dumb Hat at the Studios, and all the recent changes to the Polynesian Resort.

It doesn't matter how many boats are loaded and ready to go, there still needs to be a certain amount of time between when each boat leaves the load area for it to run safely.

The information that's public indicates the bottleneck in the attraction are the track switches, not necessarily load/unload. I think best case scenario is they get it up to 1200 GPH which is around Toy Story's numbers.

 

[Bairstow]

The information that's public indicates the bottleneck in the attraction are the track switches, not necessarily load/unload. I think best case scenario is they get it up to 1200 GPH which is around Toy Story's numbers.

I'm curious what the source on this is, but only because I can't recall being on Malestrom and my boat being held back at a brake point before any of the switches. I can't see this happening in any of the old rid-through videos on Youtube either. Now, maybe that's just because they did an excellent job of matching load speed to the ride's capacity, but my thinking is that if the track switches were indeed the bottleneck, we'd have a lot more footage of boats being stopped and held at the fist big tableau of the viking and his son.

 

[Brian]

I walked through the bypass for the first time today. Here's a picture of it as of this afternoon.

It obviously has some work yet to be done, but it looks 1000% better than what we started with.

 

[hpyhnt 1000]

Honestly, with the faux brick and large trees, it really is looking pretty decent.

Also, yet another pic of people sitting on something that really isn't meant to be sat on. What is it going to take for Phil Holmes and Co. (or Cockerell or whoever becomes VP) to put some darned benches back into the MK?

 

[unkadug]

Honestly, with the faux brick and large trees, it really is looking pretty decent.

Also, yet another pic of people sitting on something that really isn't meant to be sat on. What is it going to take for Phil Holmes and Co. (or Cockerell or whoever becomes VP) to put some darned benches back into the MK?

People sitting on their rumps are not spending money.

 

[Rob562]

I'm curious what the source on this is, but only because I can't recall being on Malestrom and my boat being held back at a brake point before any of the switches. I can't see this happening in any of the old rid-through videos on Youtube either. Now, maybe that's just because they did an excellent job of matching load speed to the ride's capacity, but my thinking is that if the track switches were indeed the bottleneck, we'd have a lot more footage of boats being stopped and held at the fist big tableau of the viking and his son.

Not to get too far off from the actual topic of the thread...

The fact that boats didn't need to stop at hold points didn't necessarily mean that the attraction was running at less than capacity, but rather that it was designed well with the timing well planned out.

The main hold point it used was the dispatch hold point between the Load platform and the turn to the lifthill. Your time at that spot varied depending on how much time the boat in front of you needed to reach the top of the lift. With the lifthill being a set speed, and the stretch of flume from the lift to the trolls being relatively short, there wasn't much variation between the timing of each boat. All that was required was for them to fine-tune the dispatch time of the boats to the lifthill and the system took care of itself.

Of course there were block brake points along the way in case something didn't clear in time or a malfunction of a switchpoint didn't have it lined up properly.

-Rob

 

[Cesar R M]

People sitting on their rumps are not spending money.

Which is dumb.. people could be happily SITTING while enjoying POPCORN, ICE CREAM or stuff that you can eat outside (like Hotdogs from Casey's)

 

[dstrawn9889]

Honestly, with the faux brick and large trees, it really is looking pretty decent.

Also, yet another pic of people sitting on something that really isn't meant to be sat on. What is it going to take for Phil Holmes and Co. (or Cockerell or whoever becomes VP) to put some darned benches back into the MK?

these knee walls are there as SEATING. there will be no more benches going in, it clutters the pathways. if they did not want them to be sat on they would make them too narrow to place a cup on, or so tall that you cannot easily pull yourself up.

 

[note2001]

these knee walls are there as SEATING. there will be no more benches going in, it clutters the pathways. if they did not want them to be sat on they would make them too narrow to place a cup on, or so tall that you cannot easily pull yourself up.

Or, they'd add an element to the top that would make it unpleasant to sit upon (though I've seen folk simply lay down sweatshirts and backpacks to overcome the rough wall tops in EPCOT)

 

[DisneyGentleman]

I walked through the bypass for the first time today. Here's a picture of it as of this afternoon.

It obviously has some work yet to be done, but it looks 1000% better than what we started with.

Ten times zero is still zero.

 

[bakntime]

Sadly these days you are correct.

"These days"? When wasn't it correct? Corporations always need to profit. Theme parks always need to profit.

This was written about Disneyland's opening:

http://academic.csuohio.edu/tah/rrr/docs/marling_ch3.pdf

"Walt's dream is a nightmare," wrote one particularly disillusioned member of the fourth estate. "To me [the park] felt like a giant cash register, clicking and clanging, as creatures of Disney magic came tumbling down from their lofty places in my daydreams." Other writers on assignment in the park agreed. To them, Disneyland was just another tourist trap-a bigger, pricier version of the Santa Claus villages and the seedy Storylands cast up by the postwar baby boom and the blandishments of the automobile industry. It was commercial, a roadside money machine, cynically exploiting the innocent dreams of childhood. On his second visit to the complex, a wire service reporter cornered Disney and asked him about his profit margin. Walt was furious. "We have to charge what we do because this Park cost a lot to build and maintain," he barked. "I have no government subsidy."

...

Writing for the Nation, the novelist Julian Halevy took exception to an enterprise that charged admission to visit ersatz
places masquerading as the Wild West or the Amazon Basin. At Disneyland, he argued, "the whole world . . . has been reduced to a sickening blend of cheap commercial formulas packaged to sell."

Sound familiar?

The information that's public indicates the bottleneck in the attraction are the track switches, not necessarily load/unload. I think best case scenario is they get it up to 1200 GPH which is around Toy Story's numbers.

Maybe they can speed up or optimize those track switch mechanisms.

 

[ford91exploder]

Ten times zero is still zero.

Yup.