New Main Street U.S.A bypass to be built to address entry and exit congestion at the Magic Kingdom

IMFearless

Well-Known Member
I think the whole "what would Walt think" is a fairly obvious thing for most guests to think, when the Walt Disney Company continually bring Walt's legacy, memory and involvement right back into focus. It is the company themselves that pedal this whole worshiping "Walt" business.

The company can't really have it both ways, it's hypocritical to have people standing watching images of Walt doing the whole "it was all started by a mouse" thing watching "Celebrate the Magic" and looking at the whole Disney thing through rose tinted glasses, and then moments later usher them out through a backstage car park where they are conveniently supposed to "no longer think" about what Walt would make of that aspect of the way the business was operated.

It is the double standard, and this is the main thing that bothers me. Go and sit through "One Man's Dream" and look at the message Disney Co themselves convey about how the parks came to be. It is nothing short of propaganda for the Disney brand and way of doing things.

All I'm saying is they should stay true to the principles that they were built upon, I think for many people the whole "Walt" thing is just a convenient euphemism for the legacy of the way Disney Co. was founded and developed in it's infancy. In truth, Roy and many other creative talents were also hugely influential in the process, but again it is the Disney Co that perpetuates the "Walt" aspect of the legend.

I'm all for the way they do things, I believe that it is exactly this care and attention to detail, the integrity of the show, that has built the brand, that has allowed them to become so successful. I am essentially arguing that they should stick with it.
 

Bolt

Well-Known Member
I think the whole "what would Walt think" is a fairly obvious thing for most guests to think, when the Walt Disney Company continually bring Walt's legacy, memory and involvement right back into focus. It is the company themselves that pedal this whole worshiping "Walt" business.

The company can't really have it both ways, it's hypocritical to have people standing watching images of Walt doing the whole "it was all started by a mouse" thing watching "Celebrate the Magic" and looking at the whole Disney thing through rose tinted glasses, and then moments later usher them out through a backstage car park where they are conveniently supposed to "no longer think" about what Walt would make of that aspect of the way the business was operated.

It is the double standard, and this is the main thing that bothers me. Go and sit through "One Man's Dream" and look at the message Disney Co themselves convey about how the parks came to be. It is nothing short of propaganda for the Disney brand and way of doing things.

All I'm saying is they should stay true to the principles that they were built upon, I think for many people the whole "Walt" thing is just a convenient euphemism for the legacy of the way Disney Co. was founded and developed in it's infancy. In truth, Roy and many other creative talents were also hugely influential in the process, but again it is the Disney Co that perpetuates the "Walt" aspect of the legend.

I'm all for the way they do things, I believe that it is exactly this care and attention to detail, the integrity of the show, that has built the brand, that has allowed them to become so successful. I am essentially arguing that they should stick with it.
I think you've stated and restated your point about 100 times now. I think we all get where you are on this.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
I think the whole "what would Walt think" is a fairly obvious thing for most guests to think, when the Walt Disney Company continually bring Walt's legacy, memory and involvement right back into focus. It is the company themselves that pedal this whole worshiping "Walt" business.

The company can't really have it both ways, it's hypocritical to have people standing watching images of Walt doing the whole "it was all started by a mouse" thing watching "Celebrate the Magic" and looking at the whole Disney thing through rose tinted glasses, and then moments later usher them out through a backstage car park where they are conveniently supposed to "no longer think" about what Walt would make of that aspect of the way the business was operated.

It is the double standard, and this is the main thing that bothers me. Go and sit through "One Man's Dream" and look at the message Disney Co themselves convey about how the parks came to be. It is nothing short of propaganda for the Disney brand and way of doing things.

All I'm saying is they should stay true to the principles that they were built upon, I think for many people the whole "Walt" thing is just a convenient euphemism for the legacy of the way Disney Co. was founded and developed in it's infancy. In truth, Roy and many other creative talents were also hugely influential in the process, but again it is the Disney Co that perpetuates the "Walt" aspect of the legend.

I'm all for the way they do things, I believe that it is exactly this care and attention to detail, the integrity of the show, that has built the brand, that has allowed them to become so successful. I am essentially arguing that they should stick with it.
The fours keys stated :
  • Safety
  • Courtesy
  • Show
  • Capacity/efficiency
So getting people out of the park Safely would trump show.
Getting people home Quickly is courteous thus trumping show and capacity.
 

IMFearless

Well-Known Member
I think you've stated and restated your point about 100 times now. I think we all get where you are on this.

Sorry, but someone seemed to be asking why guests seemingly are considering what Walt's point of view may or may not have been about various issues frequently and I was just offering a possible explanation. Disney themselves very much promote this mentality through their media within the parks.

I have no interest in going over the same ground, it's good that we don't all see things in exactly the same way, as progress can only come from change, and change usually follows discussion/debate. Also, if we all had exactly the same views there would be little point in having any discussion.
 

articos

Well-Known Member
So, if my calculations are correct, the Walt Disney company has been "Post Walt" longer than not. Is that true?
Sadly, yes. The Walt Disney Company was initially started in its current form in 1923. Walt died in 1966. Prior to the Walt Disney Company, the predecessor, Laugh-O-Gram Studio was founded by Walt in 1921 in Kansas City with a contract for cartoons from Milt Feld, incorporated in 1922 before going bankrupt in 1923, after which he moved to Hollywood (where Roy already was). They founded Disney Bros Cartoon Studios, which turned into the Walt Disney Studio in 1926 with the move to the Hyperion Building. The earliest independent version of Walt's companies was the Iwerks-Disney Commercial Artists venture, started in 1920 with Ub Iwerks in KC. The existing corporate Walt Disney Company of today dates to 1986.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
I think you've stated and restated your point about 100 times now. I think we all get where you are on this.
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DisneyGentleman

Well-Known Member
Sadly, yes. The Walt Disney Company was initially started in its current form in 1923. Walt died in 1966. Prior to the Walt Disney Company, the predecessor, Laugh-O-Gram Studio was founded by Walt in 1921 in Kansas City with a contract for cartoons from Milt Feld, incorporated in 1922 before going bankrupt in 1923, after which he moved to Hollywood (where Roy already was). They founded Disney Bros Cartoon Studios, which turned into the Walt Disney Studio in 1926 with the move to the Hyperion Building. The earliest independent version of Walt's companies was the Iwerks-Disney Commercial Artists venture, started in 1920 with Ub Iwerks in KC. The existing corporate Walt Disney Company of today dates to 1986.
And eventually folks will figure out that the goal of a corporation is to make money for its shareholders. All the other things quoted ad infinitum in the posts are secondary to that goal.
Many corporations absorb brands and then take those brands to a point that bear no resemblance to the original. For better or worse, that's how it works.
If "good show" contributes to the corporate bottom line, it will persist. If not, it is simply branding and a fond memory.
 

CTXRover

Well-Known Member
Saw these on twitter from bioreconstruct

More new trees planted in bypass (pic appears to have been taken from pathway that connects Tomorrowland Terrace with Main Street near Plaza restaurant):

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Framing installed on exposed back of plaza restaurant. I imagine for installation of some type of themeing.
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aladdin2007

Well-Known Member
Saw these on twitter from bioreconstruct

More new trees planted in bypass (pic appears to have been taken from pathway that connects Tomorrowland Terrace with Main Street near Plaza restaurant):

CKNZ820UcAAc_Gl.jpg:large


Framing installed on exposed back of plaza restaurant. I imagine for installation of some type of themeing.
CKNal79UAAA7cNB.jpg:large

Cant come soon enough, the whole thing to me is an atrocity
 

Biff215

Well-Known Member
We used the bypass twice last week at approximately 9:00 each time. MSEP was just starting so trying to get down MSUSA with two kids would have been just about impossible. It was a nice peaceful walk, and we were in Town Square before we knew it. This allowed us to even watch the parade without having to sit for hours with the many tour groups who had camped out.

If you don't like it, simply choose not to use it. It is certainly necessary with today's crowds and I think it was done about as well as I could expect. If I was more concerned about the theming than convenience or safety, I would simply go down MSUSA.
 

optjay

Well-Known Member
Saw these on twitter from bioreconstruct

More new trees planted in bypass (pic appears to have been taken from pathway that connects Tomorrowland Terrace with Main Street near Plaza restaurant):

CKNZ820UcAAc_Gl.jpg:large


Framing installed on exposed back of plaza restaurant. I imagine for installation of some type of themeing.
CKNal79UAAA7cNB.jpg:large
looks more like a new ad location.
 

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