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[VicariousCorpse]

Notice how the viewing angle for the bride is actually very narrow? Right across in front of her is a 45 degree panel of glass across the the diagonal beams:

They did well masking most things from the mirror. But check out this stack of boxes and dishes here:

You can see it pretty clearly in the top left of the mirror floating by:

Best seen in action at 8:40

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

I'm not sure I believe that Micechat post claiming that Kim Irvine was the one who vetoed the hangman removal. At least not entirely. Especially given that she reiterated just days ago that they were still looking into future solutions at removing it. It sounds more like they may have just temporarily put it off. Based off of her comment that it's "complicated structurally", it makes me think they had some sort of a concept for a new scene here but there were issues implementing it for whatever reason. What those reasons are, I don't know. But it sounds like she still wanted to change the scene and it still will change at some point.

I've been mulling over the new bride since yesterday, and I think overall she looks really good from a purely visual perspective. My one gripe is that she still isn't remotely scary. Constance to be clear wasn't remotely scary either, and the figure looked absolutely dreadful and her dialog was obnoxious to boot. So comparing thost two together, this new bride at least looks very well done. It's visually solid and and is also thankfully entirely silent apart from the heartbeat. I assume the face still uses projected elements, but it's now a proper 3-dimensional surface with sculpted out features being projected onto. Constance had a very flat face and didn't look good at pretty much any angle (especially from the sides). This new bride's face doesn't have that problem from what I can tell, it looks properly 3-dimensional and the perspective is correct at all angles as you travel around her. The beating heart is also a welcome return, candelabra and flames look pretty good too. It may look a tad bit better or worse in person as these sort of lighting and projection effects tend to appear somewhat inaccurate when recorded. But I can tell even from the video that the most glaring issues Constance had are no longer present anymore. Overall I think they did pretty well here.

In terms of "scares", again the new bride still isn't really a return to that form. The best iteration IMO was the one with the fully blacked out head and glowing yellow lights for eyes. There was something so incredibly eerie and unsettling about it. The more visible doll-like faces of some prior iterations never really did it for me either TBH. They did once have a more skeletal/zombie like face for the original bride way back when that was fairly macabre, but it was also a bit over the top and lacked subtlety. It was always more unsettling and spooky not knowing what she actually looked like under there, just the image of a dark shadowy void with only the glowing points of her eyes visible. Very much a fear of the unknown sort of situation. Simple and subtle, yet very effective.

There's a scene in the original 70s Amityville Horror movie like this, of some sort of "thing" peeking through a window where all you can see aside from pitch black night are two specs of glowing eyes.

The new Hitchhiking Ghosts on the other hand are a massive downgrade. They're not AS terrible as WDW's due to using higher fidelity CG models with more subtle animations, but it also poses the question as to why they even bothered replacing the originals at all given how far they went to try and replicate them. The replacement effect has a massive flaw too. A physical object has actual 3D depth. Meaning that when you view the ghosts from an angle (not just head-on), the object's perspective and position through the mirror will also be at that correct angle. With the new effect though, it's a flat 2-dimensional video projection being generated. Only one single angle is accounted for, viewing it head-on. Even at that angle, it still appears visibly flatter than a real figure would because human eyes see in stereo and can pick up on this flatness (not to mention it's often two people sitting in the vehicles, and they won't even be exactly dead center with the ghost). But it's when you take a peek at any of the other mirrors besides your own (which is practically impossible not to) that you really see how horribly it falls apart. You see a very flattened and skewed 2D image instead of a properly 3D object. It looks terrible. It's even very noticeable in the footage, but it will look far worse in person. Such an insanely stupid change.

 

[Vclguy90]

Notice how the viewing angle for the bride is actually very narrow? Right across in front of her is a 45 degree panel of glass across the the diagonal beams:
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They did well masking most things from the mirror. But check out this stack of boxes and dishes here:
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You can see it pretty clearly in the top left of the mirror floating by:
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Best seen in action at 8:40

So what is being projection on the glass for the effect? Also, how does the effect work? What is physical and what is pepper's ghost? I still have to see it in person.

 

[chadwpalm]

What?

You realize, I hope, that the HM is essentially Halloween 24/7/365...

I disagree. Halloween is the eve of the day where the line between the living and the dead grows thin and ghosts/spirits escape into the world of the living.....for that day....and people would dress up in costumes to attempt to hide from or spook those spirits away. They also carved turnips (now Pumpkins) into lanterns to drive spirits out of their homes.

The Haunted Mansion does not represent any of this since as it shows haunting year round and isn't reflective of any of Halloween's traditions or lore.

While Halloween emphasizes spooky houses and ghouls and ghosts, spooky houses and ghouls and ghosts can exist outside of Halloween. They aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[VicariousCorpse]

So what is being projection on the glass for the effect? Also, how does the effect work? What is physical and what is pepper's ghost? I still have to see it in person.

I believe it's basically a manikin in front of a screen. I think all the effects that are not on the window behind her are projected from the floor in front of her through the mirror. The candelabra is physically there as well. The manikin doesn't have a head so you can see through her head if you look closely. It's basically a mini-ballroom set-up wise.

 

[chadwpalm]

I believe it's basically a manikin in front of a screen. I think all the effects that are not on the window behind her are projected from the floor in front of her through the mirror. The candelabra is physically there as well. The manikin doesn't have a head so you can see through her head if you look closely. It's basically a mini-ballroom set-up wise.

Yeah, in Fresh Baked's video he holds the camera above his head, so you can see the projection from the floor.

 

[DrAlice]

I have not seen this in person, so take this with a grain of salt...

I think, in isolation, the bride looks fine. My issue is that she basically looks nothing like the images on the wedding portraits. It's jarring to me. Is she supposed to be the same person? If they wanted to take the "murdered all ma husbands" angle off the ride, then they should've reconfigured the entire attic and removed the missing husband story line entirely.

I wonder if a slight change to her dress would fix this? If she had a higher, more Victorian collar that might fit better with the portraits, look more like a wedding dress, and address @mickEblu 's concern about her long neck.

Again, I haven't seen it in person. I'm just nitpicking.

 

[SuddenStorm]

So, where does the Hatbox Ghost fit into this now?

My assumption was that he was one of the grooms who was beheaded by Constance in the most recent iteration. So if they eliminated the 'beheading' story, whats the new reasoning behind the HBG?

 

[mickEblu]

I have not seen this in person, so take this with a grain of salt...

I think, in isolation, the bride looks fine. My issue is that she basically looks nothing like the images on the wedding portraits. It's jarring to me. Is she supposed to be the same person? If they wanted to take the "murdered all ma husbands" angle off the ride, then they should've reconfigured the entire attic and removed the missing husband story line entirely.

I wonder if a slight change to her dress would fix this? If she had a higher, more Victorian collar that might fit better with the portraits, look more like a wedding dress, and address @mickEblu 's concern about her long neck.

Again, I haven't seen it in person. I'm just nitpicking.

lol I mean, its abnormally long. Id guarantee not one soul in this forum has run into a neck that long since the new scene debuted last Saturday.

 

[KIGhostGuy]

So, where does the Hatbox Ghost fit into this now?

My assumption was that he was one of the grooms who was beheaded by Constance in the most recent iteration. So if they eliminated the 'beheading' story, whats the new reasoning behind the HBG?

My guess would be that he is the one who killed them and is showing us what he did to them (put their heads inside the hatboxes).

 

[VicariousCorpse]

The Hatbox Ghost is basically Henry Ravenswood from Phantom Manor now. How long before he becomes the bride's father?

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

I'm not sure I believe that Micechat post claiming that Kim Irvine was the one who vetoed the hangman removal. At least not entirely. Especially given that she reiterated just days ago that they were still looking into future solutions at removing it. It sounds more like they may have just temporarily put it off. Based off of her comment that it's "complicated structurally", it makes me think they had some sort of a concept for a new scene here but there were issues implementing it for whatever reason. What those reasons are, I don't know. But it sounds like she still wanted to change the scene and it still will change at some point.

I've been mulling over the new bride since yesterday, and I think overall she looks really good from a purely visual perspective. My one gripe is that she still isn't remotely scary. Constance to be clear wasn't remotely scary either, and the figure looked absolutely dreadful and her dialog was obnoxious to boot. So comparing thost two together, this new bride at least looks very well done. It's visually solid and and is also thankfully entirely silent apart from the heartbeat. I assume the face still uses projected elements, but it's now a proper 3-dimensional surface with sculpted out features being projected onto. Constance had a very flat face and didn't look good at pretty much any angle (especially from the sides). This new bride's face doesn't have that problem from what I can tell, it looks properly 3-dimensional and the perspective is correct at all angles as you travel around her. The beating heart is also a welcome return, candelabra and flames look pretty good too. It may look a tad bit better or worse in person as these sort of lighting and projection effects tend to appear somewhat inaccurate when recorded. But I can tell even from the video that the most glaring issues Constance had are no longer present anymore. Overall I think they did pretty well here.

It's funny how something so primitive (for lack of a better term) looks so creepy. Definitely agree! The new "bride" isn't nearly as effective in that regard.

 

[Disney Irish]

lol I mean, its abnormally long. Id guarantee not one soul in this forum has run into a neck that long since the new scene debuted last Saturday.

Princess Aurora herself has a long slender neck, very similar to the Bride.

 

[mickEblu]

Princess Aurora herself has a long slender neck, very similar to the Bride.

So did you run into her Saturday, Sunday or today? Anyway it’s not just the neck on its own that’s bothersome. It’s the long neck to go along with the oval and masculine looking face. Very tall and lanky too. Neck is very wide and chiseled. Only thing missing is a big ole Adam’s Apple.

 

[Disney Irish]

So did you run into her Saturday, Sunday or today? Anyway it’s not just the neck on its own that’s bothersome. It’s the long neck to go along with the oval and masculine looking face.

The point was that its not that uncommon, as I mentioned before many cultures find beauty in a long neck and many woman accentuate their neck to make them look longer, and also I don't think the Bride looks manly.

 

[mickEblu]

The point was that its not that uncommon, as I mentioned before many cultures find beauty in a long neck and many woman accentuate their neck to make them look longer, and also I don't think the Bride looks manly.

Her neck looks wider than her head. Just a weird design. Not sure if that was intent or just how the projection comes off

 

[Disney Irish]

Her neck is as wide as her head. Just a weird design. Not sure if that was intent or just how the projection comes off

My assumption its to make the Bride look more gauntly and forlorned.

I also think you're exaggerating just a bit.

 

[mickEblu]

My assumption its to make the Bride look more gauntly and forlorned.

I also think you're exaggerating just a bit.

No. I mean the picture is right here. What part am I exaggerating?

 

[Disney Irish]

No. I mean the picture is right here. What part am I exaggerating?

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My original reply got removed, but your insistence that she looks manly and the specific descriptions you've given regarding that is the exaggeration.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

The face just needs to be widened.