News New Haunted Mansion Grounds Expansion, Retail Shop Coming to Disneyland Resort in 2024

britain

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If it really is about responding to the public’s reaction, then they should be consistent with it. If it is “one imagineering creative director” who didn’t like the scene and wanted to change it, then they should blame the public as the reason for the change.

I see what you are saying. I think it might be more of a matter of Kim never liking the murderous bride, but she needed surveys (or lawsuits?) to make the case to corporate.
 

KIGhostGuy

Active Member
The discussion about the original Bride is interesting. The Bride in the original 1969 Attic scene was ambiguous at best and villanous at worst, with the implication that she killed the Hatbox Ghost (her groom). She didn't become "tragic" until 1995 when the Attic gained the Wedding March, "I do" pop-ups, etc.

Constance was very poorly executed, but her storyline was closer in-line with the original intentions of the Attic--especially once the Hatbox Ghost returned. This Bride is obviously an improvement over Constance; it is just odd to me that it's being marketed as a return to the original vision...but it's a vision from 26 years after the ride opened.
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
The other quote that gets me is this:

“The bride that used to be in there was an axe murderer, and in this day and age we have to be really careful about the sensitivities of people,” Irvine says. “We were celebrating someone chopping off her husband’s heads, and it was a weird story.”

I’m not even mad about the change, but it’s so weird to frame it this way. I don’t think anyone was “celebrating” the bride chopping off her husband’s heads. She was a menacing part of the attraction, almost in a villain role. We can portray characters doing something in a story without celebrating what they’re doing.

And on top of that, if it really was that big a deal, why was it ok that both Muppets Haunted Mansion and the 2023 Haunted Mansion movies also portray the bride as a murderer and villain?
Maybe they need to get away from the notion that a person or character’s mere presence in an attraction = a “celebration” of said person/character. Unless I was missing the hooting and hollering of guests in the attic scene.

Does it trivialize her murder of her succession of husbands? Sure. But the entire attraction - starting in the queue - uses the form of death as a punchline. Seriously, lighten up!
 

mickEblu

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I know some people will say I'm all namby-pamby about it, but murder was never a part of the original mansion except for three notable exceptions: The Ghost Host's suicide, the dualing portraits, and the decapitated knight.

The first just so happens to occur at the scariest part of the whole attraction. It's as bad as the mansion used to get, and it effectively puts first timers (especially kids) on edge even though the rest of the entire show is an illusion & joke show. The dualists and the knight are depicting those who killed out of "sense of honor", "in the line of duty", or perhaps as punishment for being a traitor to the king. Not murderous intent. Nothing here close to home. No bad taste in the mouth.

While there have always been twisted and evil murderers in this world, Disneyland was never a place to spotlight such people. I appreciate the Black Widow Bride trope, but I more appreciate the desire to not remind people of evil things - especially evil hiding the guise of marriage. (On a side note, HGB2's Long Forgotten Haunted Mansion blog points out that there are no ghosts of children in the attraction. It doesn't matter how appealing some may find "Creepy Doll-like Children Ghosts", the decision was made to not remind people that children die too.)

Now Constance is no longer a murderer. But sure, something is bumping off all her husbands. And sure, it's probably now the Hat Box Ghost. So serial killing is still a part of the mansion we have to live with. But at least it isn't twisting up the symbology of love and marriage. I approve of these changes.


Oh wow I never once thought about the fact that there are no child ghosts in the Mansion. Good choice and I agree with the reasoning.

As far as Constance’s husbands disappearing on the portraits now perhaps that’s meant to imply that they all abandoned her?
 

CraftyFox

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I was never a fan of the Constance effect, the projection was flat at worst and misaligned at best. I did enjoy the Black Widow bride storyline though. I know a lot of people have their reservations about it, but it was playing off a frequent trope in gothic literature, which I always enjoy seeing in the Mansion. I always enjoy when these things are tied to historical or folkloric tradition.

The original 1969 bride was less ambiguous than her later counterparts. The heartbeat matching the disappearance of the Hatbox Ghost’s head was intended to heavily imply the possibility that she had offed him. This is supported by the narrative of the Sight and Sound track.
 
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DavidDL

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As far as Constance’s husbands disappearing on the portraits now perhaps that’s meant to imply that they all abandoned her?

I would guess they’ll probably leave it up to our own interpretation, unless there are some other added clues we don’t know about yet. Maybe they left her? Maybe someone or something was picking them off? Maybe she caused their disappearances? Probably won’t be a “right or wrong” answer unless they come out and say/show us something else.

The article did mention that Bride would have some kind of presence in the graveyard scene now, too. Hanging around one of crypts or something I think? Or at least her candelabra will be (inferring that’s her in the endless hallway, too)? Guess we will find out tomorrow.
 

VicariousCorpse

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The article did mention that Bride would have some kind of presence in the graveyard scene now, too. Hanging around one of crypts or something I think? Or at least her candelabra will be (inferring that’s her in the endless hallway, too)? Guess we will find out tomorrow.
"Additionally, the candelabra will appear a third time, materializing in a cemetery crypt in the ride’s final act."

Maybe in the hitchhiking ghost scene or little leota. The mention of final scene and crypt makes me believe its past the graveyard. Also using an identical candelabra as the one in the endless hallways implies she is wandering the mansion. If they brought the new bride to WDW, this effect would be even more implied as we have another identical candelabra just past loading.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Ummm is this an improvement? She might be the worst designed one yet…

Ok maybe a smidge better than Constance or the Chuckie Doll but I’d kill for one of the first 3.

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Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
Ummm is this an improvement? She might be the worst designed one yet…

Ok maybe a smidge better than Constance or the Chuckie Doll but I’d kill for one of the first 3.

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Comparing these imagines alone, the new bride looks the least like a bride because of her costume.

More generically ghostly

Also physical figures just work best
 

Communicora

Premium Member
Given Kim Irvine's experience with fan overreaction (death threats over the characters in Small World) I can understand why she has become a bit more dismissive of certain fan outcry. I could almost imagine the eye rolls as she was saying it, but I definitely think it is a lot more lighthearted than some are making out. The AI was a bad move, even as just a placeholder, but we all know that if there were no placeholders then there would be fan outcry over how empty it is. And it seems like she did fight for the shop to be the size it is than even bigger.
They could have had it all ready on time so they didn't need placeholders.
 

VicariousCorpse

Well-Known Member
Ummm is this an improvement? She might be the worst designed one yet…

Ok maybe a smidge better than Constance or the Chuckie Doll but I’d kill for one of the first 3.

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The 69 bride in this photo is actually the WDW bride from 1973. The one labeled the 1970s is the original at Disneyland.
Didn't the ride open today? Where are the ride throughs? I know it's only noon over there but I would still expect to see something.
Opens tomorrow. This is just press release.
 

chadwpalm

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
"Additionally, the candelabra will appear a third time, materializing in a cemetery crypt in the ride’s final act."

Maybe in the hitchhiking ghost scene or little leota. The mention of final scene and crypt makes me believe its past the graveyard. Also using an identical candelabra as the one in the endless hallways implies she is wandering the mansion. If they brought the new bride to WDW, this effect would be even more implied as we have another identical candelabra just past loading.
I'm not aware of any cemetery crypts in the hitchhiking ghost or little leota scenes unless you are implying they will add one.

I'd bet money it will be here:

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You know....in a crypt....in a cemetery....
 

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