News New Haunted Mansion Grounds Expansion, Retail Shop Coming to Disneyland Resort in 2024

MoonRakerSCM

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They've already been revealed as these-


Exact same card art, but the backs are different. Maybe Disney covered the backs with a different art (printed off the copier) being the originals have the product name on them.

Edit- Oh I just noticed the other 2 frames with the Seance Oracle backs visible. Never mind about the different backs lol. Maybe those 3 are special ones in the pack.
 

Disney Analyst

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If we want my hot take... Disney has always sent out people to acquire props and items from various shops, antique stores, thrift stores, etc.

Of course in our modern online shopping world, they would adapt and now acquire things online, which makes it easier for the rest of us to see where some stuff comes from.

I don't really care.

Of course the issue of AI art is another story... when they have many artists internally... or could just contract someone, or purchase real art, from a real person.
 

mickEblu

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If we want my hot take... Disney has always sent out people to acquire props and items from various shops, antique stores, thrift stores, etc.

Of course in our modern online shopping world, they would adapt and now acquire things online, which makes it easier for the rest of us to see where some stuff comes from.


The main difference being that the old imagineers were procuring antiques or items made by hand while the new ones are searching for cheap mass produced stuff online. The quality is not the same. I don’t care how you do it but if I’m walking by it inside the park and it sticks out you failed. Fresh baked and Tom Corliss missed the mark on that take.

The other and more obvious issue is that I shouldn’t be seeing mass produced art at a Disney theme park that I could buy for myself online. I can think of few things that would detract from the placemaking more than that.
 
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Disney Analyst

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The main difference being that the old imagineers were procuring antiques or items made by hand while the new ones are searching for cheap mass produced stuff online. The quality is not the same. I don’t care how you do it but it I’m walking by it inside the park and it sticks out you failed. Fresh baked and Tom Corliss missed the mark on that take.

The other and more obvious issue is that I shouldn’t be seeing mass produced art at a Disney theme park that I could buy for myself online. I can think of few things that would detract from the placemaking more than that.

I just don't care what or how they get it, as long as it helps tell the story. Of course if it's crap, it's crap.
 

mickEblu

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I just don't care what or how they get it, as long as it helps tell the story. Of course if it's crap, it's crap.

Well a piece of mass produced AI art does not help tell a story. Especially for anyone who had already seen the art. I get that it’s just one small piece of art up near the ceiling that most people probably wouldn’t notice (until someone does and blasts them on this little thing we have now called the internet) but it’s really telling and makes me sad that they re lowering their standards to such a degree. Really hoping a new regime comes in and cleans house. Maybe call back some of the institutional knowledge they lost. AI art in an Ill placed, forced perspective breaking structure next to maybe the most iconic Disney attraction of all time is not good. But if you and other fans dont care and they don’t care i guess we can continue to expect more of the same.
 

Disney Analyst

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Well a piece of mass produced AI art does not help tell a story. Especially for anyone who had already seen the art. I get that it’s just one small piece of art up near the ceiling that most people probably wouldn’t notice (until someone does and blasts them on this little thing we have now called the internet) but it’s really telling and makes me sad that they re lowering their standards to such a degree. Really hoping a new regime comes in and cleans house. Maybe calls back some of the institutional knowledge they lost. AI art in an Ill placed, forced perspective breaking structure next to maybe the most iconic Disney attraction of all time is not good. But if you and other fans dont care and they don’t care i guess we can continue to expect more of the same.

I did say in my original post:

“Of course the issue of AI art is another story... when they have many artists internally... or could just contract someone, or purchase real art, from a real person.”


I do not support the use of AI art in the parks. Ever.
 

mickEblu

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I did say in my original post:

“Of course the issue of AI art is another story... when they have many artists internally... or could just contract someone, or purchase real art, from a real person.”


I do not support the use of AI art in the parks. Ever.

I’m using AI art or any other highly noticeable mass produced item interchangeably. I just don’t understand how stupid they can be. Obviously within 24 hours someone will notice it and blast them on the internet. What’s the point?
 

eddie104

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I just don't care what or how they get it, as long as it helps tell the story. Of course if it's crap, it's crap.
People are truly delusional if they think Disney was producing everything in “house”.

With access to online it helps with faster turnaround time for projects like this.

We have a hyper critical society nowadays and Disney is literally watched like a hawk by us so even the smallest details are noticed.

I truly don’t care if they found an old antique prop on Amazon as long as it fits the story.
 

mickEblu

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eh too soon dude

Huh? I was talking about a meet n greet.

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Professortango1

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People are truly delusional if they think Disney was producing everything in “house”.

With access to online it helps with faster turnaround time for projects like this.

We have a hyper critical society nowadays and Disney is literally watched like a hawk by us so even the smallest details are noticed.

I truly don’t care if they found an old antique prop on Amazon as long as it fits the story.
I think the issue is the line used to be far more blurred.

For instance, the Pet Cemetary figures and plaques. They all feel like they are from the same world. They all have a similar scale and feeling and fit the queue and the Mansion. I'm sure some were custom made and some were purchased, but you can't tell. It doesn't feel like someone went online and went "that's cool, let's find a place to throw that in."

Compare that the new HM queue. I do think it's an improvement over what was there, but so many of the ornaments feel scattershot and all of them feel small. The best area is the gazebo reading area, and even that has the weird mermaid statue which doesn't feel like it fits there and the random safe attached to a wall that we immediately walk behind and see that's there's nothing hidden there because the wall is a foot thick.

Things are not being incorporated and built upon, they are just being scattered and placed. They aren't being aged or embellished to fit in with one another or the world, which makes them easier to spot as things from an online store.

On the plus side, I used to always visit the stores and want to buy the display items because they felt so unique and real. And now everyone can buy the exact same display items and queue decor and don't need to do anything to them to make them look just like they do in the Disney parks. yay.
 

mickEblu

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I think the issue is the line used to be far more blurred.

For instance, the Pet Cemetary figures and plaques. They all feel like they are from the same world. They all have a similar scale and feeling and fit the queue and the Mansion. I'm sure some were custom made and some were purchased, but you can't tell. It doesn't feel like someone went online and went "that's cool, let's find a place to throw that in."

Compare that the new HM queue. I do think it's an improvement over what was there, but so many of the ornaments feel scattershot and all of them feel small. The best area is the gazebo reading area, and even that has the weird mermaid statue which doesn't feel like it fits there and the random safe attached to a wall that we immediately walk behind and see that's there's nothing hidden there because the wall is a foot thick.

Things are not being incorporated and built upon, they are just being scattered and placed. They aren't being aged or embellished to fit in with one another or the world, which makes them easier to spot as things from an online store.

On the plus side, I used to always visit the stores and want to buy the display items because they felt so unique and real. And now everyone can buy the exact same display items and queue decor and don't need to do anything to them to make them look just like they do in the Disney parks. yay.

Well said. I saw the new queue in person for the first time last weekend. While I think they did a great job overall there are some items that just stick out. Less would have been more in some areas. Not a fan of those colorful balls at all. The landscaping and layout are fantastic however.
 
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eddie104

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I think the issue is the line used to be far more blurred.

For instance, the Pet Cemetary figures and plaques. They all feel like they are from the same world. They all have a similar scale and feeling and fit the queue and the Mansion. I'm sure some were custom made and some were purchased, but you can't tell. It doesn't feel like someone went online and went "that's cool, let's find a place to throw that in."

Compare that the new HM queue. I do think it's an improvement over what was there, but so many of the ornaments feel scattershot and all of them feel small. The best area is the gazebo reading area, and even that has the weird mermaid statue which doesn't feel like it fits there and the random safe attached to a wall that we immediately walk behind and see that's there's nothing hidden there because the wall is a foot thick.

Things are not being incorporated and built upon, they are just being scattered and placed. They aren't being aged or embellished to fit in with one another or the world, which makes them easier to spot as things from an online store.

On the plus side, I used to always visit the stores and want to buy the display items because they felt so unique and real. And now everyone can buy the exact same display items and queue decor and don't need to do anything to them to make them look just like they do in the Disney parks. yay.
All fair points and I definitely agree that they need to make sure these props fit the theme and if not try to customize them to blend in better.

I’m of the opinion they need to leave the classic attractions alone and stop trying to add unnecessary elements.
 

DavidDL

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I think the idea that everything we see in the parks needing to be made entirely from scratch by them is a tad silly. Obviously I am not advocating for the inclusion of things that look bad, or the use of any sort of AI "art". If something looks bad, it can look bad whether it was made from scratch or purchased from the internet. -and AI "art" in general is just a crappy thing to feature in the parks.

But for the other stuff.. where does the line get drawn? Disney straight up stole the look for the outside of the Mansion and the look of the Foyer from two other famous houses that already existed at the time. If Disney orders pre-made bricks from a construction company to use in construction of a new queue, is that an issue? Because that final product would be built "using things Disney bought online". What about the Tio Pepe branded Churros Disney just buys and heats up, then covers in other store bought ingredients to create a seasonal treat? Are those no longer really "Disneyland Churros"?

I do think there needs to be a balance. Not everything you see should be something that can be found for sale elsewhere (something made easier in today's day and age that probably went unnoticed more often in Disneyland's past). There should be more stuff that is custom made by Disney themselves. But in fairness, most of what they build typically is. All that really matters is whether or not the final product comes out looking good or looking like crap. -and of course, whether or not the work is AI generated.

I think a handful of pre-purchased little knick-knacks on a store shelf is fine, if it doesn't distract or feel out of place. After all, most of the stuff they're selling on the shelves in a place like that is all crap made overseas by someone else, anyways.

All artists "steal", Disney's included. Being able to properly "steal like an artist" without calling too much attention to where you took inspiration from is an art form itself. I don't see how buying a handful of pre-made items and using them as decor to try and create a new work of art or a sense of place is honestly that bad, as long as you haven't lost your ability to create original works most of the time. But I feel like trying to tell someone like Disney that they aren't ever allowed to use pre-made items in their story telling, when appropriate, is akin to trying to tell a cook who makes you a killer meal that they shouldn't be ordering ingredients and should be growing and obtaining everything by hand from some farm out behind the restaurant.

But c'mon, even looking at stuff folks don't like around here like Galaxy's Edge, Avengers Campus and Tiana's, I wouldn't try and sit here and pretend that stuff isn't "custom built". Disney isn't going to stop doing that any time soon. I think these little odds and ends decorating this shop are an exception to the norm and not something to get riled up about.
 

mickEblu

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I think the idea that everything we see in the parks needing to be made entirely from scratch by them is a tad silly. Obviously I am not advocating for the inclusion of things that look bad, or the use of any sort of AI "art". If something looks bad, it can look bad whether it was made from scratch or purchased from the internet. -and AI "art" in general is just a crappy thing to feature in the parks.

But for the other stuff.. where does the line get drawn? Disney straight up stole the look for the outside of the Mansion and the look of the Foyer from two other famous houses that already existed at the time. If Disney orders pre-made bricks from a construction company to use in construction of a new queue, is that an issue? Because that final product would be built "using things Disney bought online". What about the Tio Pepe branded Churros Disney just buys and heats up, then covers in other store bought ingredients to create a seasonal treat? Are those no longer really "Disneyland Churros"?

I do think there needs to be a balance. Not everything you see should be something that can be found for sale elsewhere (something made easier in today's day and age that probably went unnoticed more often in Disneyland's past). There should be more stuff that is custom made by Disney themselves. But in fairness, most of what they build typically is. All that really matters is whether or not the final product comes out looking good or looking like crap. -and of course, whether or not the work is AI generated.

I think a handful of pre-purchased little knick-knacks on a store shelf is fine, if it doesn't distract or feel out of place. After all, most of the stuff they're selling on the shelves in a place like that is all crap made overseas by someone else, anyways.

All artists "steal", Disney's included. Being able to properly "steal like an artist" without calling too much attention to where you took inspiration from is an art form itself. I don't see how buying a handful of pre-made items and using them as decor to try and create a new work of art or a sense of place is honestly that bad, as long as you haven't lost your ability to create original works most of the time. But I feel like trying to tell someone like Disney that they aren't ever allowed to use pre-made items in their story telling, when appropriate, is akin to trying to tell a cook who makes you a killer meal that they shouldn't be ordering ingredients and should be growing and obtaining everything by hand from some farm out behind the restaurant.

But c'mon, even looking at stuff folks don't like around here like Galaxy's Edge, Avengers Campus and Tiana's, I wouldn't try and sit here and pretend that stuff isn't "custom built". Disney isn't going to stop doing that any time soon. I think these little odds and ends decorating this shop are an exception to the norm and not something to get riled up about.

If the items don’t sick out and blend in then it’s not a huge deal especially if they are not a major showpiece. The issue is with the internet someone will be able to track down where they bought it and let the world know about it. Do they really want that kind of attention? Having people walk through a queue and point out to their friend “ok yeah that’s the piece Disney bought on RedBubble (or Blackforestdecor.com) I read about it on the internet.” That doesn’t really take me to another time and place. Not very transportive. It’s shattered the “illusion” or at least the suspension of disbelief.

You can’t really track down a brick nor is it the type of thing that will stick out or get anyone’s attention. Some of you guys are clearly fans of Disneyland but I’m not certain you understand why.
 
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