New Haunted Mansion and Spaceship Earth Rumors

Dizknee_Phreek

Dizknee_Phreek

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You know, I'm about as much of a Disney puritan as our ol' pal General Grizz (for you forum vets that remember him), but even I know SSE and HM have needed some upgrades for quite a while. I'm a little worried about the changes in SSE...I LOVE the one we have now, especially the narration by Jeremy Irons (any word on who's going to do it this time?), the soundtrack, and the finale with the Spaceship Earth-esque ball and colored lights. I'm seriously going to miss it in its current form....BUT it's had a good run, and it's been needing some changes. I especially hope they do SOMETHING with the very first scene...the big screen with pictures of cavemen figures...I never got that. And, of course, the ending scenes with the "technology of the future" has been outdated for some time. I just hope they do it right and keep the quality and essence of the current SSE. If they do, I'll be happy.
And I've thought for some time that pretty much ALL the animatronics needed an upgrade. I could never understand why they focused so much on other attractions, but never used the technology we have to create more life-like animatronics. Then I saw PotC last year....MAN, the Jack Sparrow is AMAZING! Once I saw that, I knew the other attractions NEEDED their animatronics updated. The other pirates looked SO stiff and....shiny (as in their skin texture) in comparison to Capt. Jack.
SO, I hope the "rumor" of more fluid/life-like animatronics is true....that would REALLY spruce a lot of attractions up, and breathe new life into them, imo.
 
Vernonpush

Vernonpush

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I would be perfectly content if they just kept the HM (all of it) up to it's former glory. While I would love some upgrades, I think that it has been "ignored" for far too long.
SSE is one of my favorite rides. It is the "centerpiece" of Futureworld and I hope that Seimans can make it that way again, from what I've seen of the post-show, I think it will happen (I taped the entire ride last week just for my own personal record).
 
marni1971

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Dizknee_Phreek said:
...I could never understand why they focused so much on other attractions, but never used the technology we have to create more life-like animatronics. Then I saw PotC last year....MAN, the Jack Sparrow is AMAZING! Once I saw that, I knew the other attractions NEEDED their animatronics updated..
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Yep, they do. Ever since the first A-100 debued in 1989 AAs have got better and better... but of course it comes down to cost. A single hybrid A-100 figure costs from one million dollars upwards. Not including programming.
 
Justin Jones

Justin Jones

New Member
marni1971 said:
Yep, they do. Ever since the first A-100 debued in 1989 AAs have got better and better... but of course it comes down to cost. A single hybrid A-100 figure costs from one million dollars upwards. Not including programming.
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Exactly.... Like I said before, this is why Siemens wants to keep the old figures but upgrade them with A-100 arms. It will be much cheaper and the figures will still look a lot better.
 
marni1971

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I didn`t think A-100`s could have parts retro fitted to earlier models due to the whole compliance mechanism?
 
drew81

drew81

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DisneyNut2007 said:
To tell you the truth, Lutz DOES NOT have any inside sources at all! He just reports mere rumors and gossip that VERY seldom, if ever, become facts.

Therefore, he works hard to make himself look like the ultimate authority on what's happening at the parks, but he is not the ultimate authority on it.

It also makes no sense that someone would know about a new project before the people on the inside start working on it. After all, the people inside the company have to start working on a particular project behind closed doors before any tidbits of info start leaking out to the public.
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You may not agree with everything Al has to say but alot of it is true or does happen in some form or fashion.
 
Testtrack321

Testtrack321

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unkadug said:
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HEY! I got that for my mom last Christmas! :ROFLOL:
 
MythBuster

MythBuster

Active Member
marni1971 said:
I didn`t think A-100`s could have parts retro fitted to earlier models due to the whole compliance mechanism?
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It can be done, but they can't use the two together. They still could use the same framework just different servos and actuators. Then they need to upgrade the controls and just use a SIU or the new RFIU. and just use new feedback servo cards with compliance and some force feedback
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Testtrack321 said:
WDW shouldn't get the holiday not because Disneyland should have origional things (Subs, Matterhorn, etc), but simply because closing down the attraction for months 1/4 of the year each year to remove and install something that'll only really appeal mostly to locals is a bad idea.
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Haunted Mansion at Disneyland is closed for a total of just over five weeks each calendar year due to the Holiday changeover. They close it for three and a half weeks in September to install it, and then close again for barely two weeks in January to take it out and replace the original show. And you know what else they do during that time?... Tune up all of the lighting and audio, replace broken equipment, grease the Omnimover system so it doesn't squeak and scrape like WDW, replace draperies-wallpaper-props-etc., replace carpets and flooring, paint like crazy, steam clean and replace the scrims, and give everything in that sprawling multi-level facility a good going over.

Small World Holiday is down to an even shorter timeframe; two and a half weeks in October to install, and one and a half weeks in January to remove. As I remember this past January, Small World was closed for just 10 or 11 days to remove the Holiday show.

The whole "Haunted Mansion/Small World are closed for months and months out of the year" thing is a myth that runs rampant on WDW message boards from otherwise nice folks who seem to have very little knowledge of Disneyland. It's also a very hollow argument for why WDW could never get the Holiday version of popular attractions. Attractions should be closing every 12 months anyway for routine maintenance and refreshment in a theme park that is open 365 days per year and 16 hours per day. Why are some East Coasters so opposed to refurbishment and attraction upkeep? Regular maintenance keeps things fresh and updated, and that's exactly what most attractions in WDW don't appear to have enough of. :hammer:
 
tirian

tirian

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Keep in mind that WDI often plans things that are later scrapped due to time or budgetary restraints. The best example I can think of right now is the Center Street refurb (on Main Street) that was supposed to be completed in mid-2006. I personally saw the plans for this work, I was involved in reconnecting the phone and register systems to the park, and I knew what the plans were. Now it's mid-2007, and the area still isn't "Onstage."

Plans change. Let's hope that the current plans for SSE and the HM don't get budget cuts.
 
marni1971

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
MythBuster said:
It can be done, but they can't use the two together. They still could use the same framework just different servos and actuators. Then they need to upgrade the controls and just use a SIU or the new RFIU. and just use new feedback servo cards with compliance and some force feedback
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Are there any examples in the parks? If it is possible SSE could be ideal - although sadly there arn`t that many original AAs left elsewhere in the park. The majority of SSEs AAs are really background `fillers`, with the minority acting as weenies (the telephone operators for example work fine, but the rennaisance stone artist would be improved no end with more animation)
 
Dayma

Dayma

Well-Known Member
Dizknee_Phreek said:
You know, I'm about as much of a Disney puritan as our ol' pal General Grizz (for you forum vets that remember him), but even I know SSE and HM have needed some upgrades for quite a while. I'm a little worried about the changes in SSE...I LOVE the one we have now, especially the narration by Jeremy Irons (any word on who's going to do it this time?), the soundtrack, and the finale with the Spaceship Earth-esque ball and colored lights. I'm seriously going to miss it in its current form....BUT it's had a good run, and it's been needing some changes. I especially hope they do SOMETHING with the very first scene...the big screen with pictures of cavemen figures...I never got that. And, of course, the ending scenes with the "technology of the future" has been outdated for some time. I just hope they do it right and keep the quality and essence of the current SSE. If they do, I'll be happy.
And I've thought for some time that pretty much ALL the animatronics needed an upgrade. I could never understand why they focused so much on other attractions, but never used the technology we have to create more life-like animatronics. Then I saw PotC last year....MAN, the Jack Sparrow is AMAZING! Once I saw that, I knew the other attractions NEEDED their animatronics updated. The other pirates looked SO stiff and....shiny (as in their skin texture) in comparison to Capt. Jack.
SO, I hope the "rumor" of more fluid/life-like animatronics is true....that would REALLY spruce a lot of attractions up, and breathe new life into them, imo.
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I totally agree with you with pretty much everything you said. There seems to be a lot of promise with these changes while sticking to the original intention and theme....
 
MJMcBride

MJMcBride

Member
Vernonpush said:
I would be perfectly content if they just kept the HM (all of it) up to it's former glory. While I would love some upgrades, I think that it has been "ignored" for far too long.
SSE is one of my favorite rides. It is the "centerpiece" of Futureworld and I hope that Seimans can make it that way again, from what I've seen of the post-show, I think it will happen (I taped the entire ride last week just for my own personal record).
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I agree. I'm sort of just hoping for the best. Though I heard the post-show at SSE is rather lame so far
 

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