New Haunted Mansion and Spaceship Earth Rumors

unkadug

unkadug

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landauh said:
What many people on this board seem to overlook in how refrubs are scheduled is based on available manpower and outside contractors. Disney must properly schedule a refrub to take advantage of when it has the personnel available to do the work. Also, if an outside contractor must be used for part of the refrub, Disney might be limited as to when the contractor can fit Disney into it's own schedule.

Disney might have other plans/requirements for the engineers and outside contractors that preclude them from moving these refrubs to the slower Fall and Winter seasons.
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I don't think that Disney schedules refurbs around the availability of outside contractors. If one contractor isn't available there are hundreds more that ARE !
 
jmvd20

jmvd20

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unkadug said:
I don't think that Disney schedules refurbs around the availability of outside contractors. If one contractor isn't available there are hundreds more that ARE !
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That is correct, Disney would dictate to the contractors when the work is to be performed. When jobs go out for bid it is normally plainly stated in the bid package what date the work must start and what date it must be completed. If you as a contractor aren't available then 9 times out of 10 you are not even considered for the job.
 
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I just rode HM last Monday. I know they are getting ready to close for rehab, but it was wierd. The ride was much darking than in the past. Like, the endless hallway, you could barely make out the candle flames. The candleabra was completely dark, you could not see it at all. It was the same way with the knocking doors. You could hear the knocks but you could not see any details of the doors. This continued on through out the ride...you could just barely make out the musical instruments floating around the crystal ball. And, there was no way to see the hanging, hidden mickey, frying pan looking thing that hangs on a beam in the attic scene. I hope I'm not making too much of this, it was just strange. I can't wait to see what they do with this wonderful classic!
 
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Does anyone know if the changes/restructuring of Walt Disney Imagineering that occured last week will have any effect on the Haunted Mansion or Spaceship Earth refurbishments?

Im guessing plans for Haunted Mansion are pretty much locked in but theres still room for adjustments to Spaceship Earth. Im hoping for new Audio Animatronic people (no static figures like in the '94 version), the warnings about the vechile moving backwards should be in the queue not at the beginning of the ride, and it better not be just abunch of video projections that have become oh so popular lately (Davey Jones in Pirates, Nemo ride, Three Cabelleros, etc.)
 
PurpleDragon

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WDWSEARCHER said:
I just rode HM last Monday. I know they are getting ready to close for rehab, but it was wierd. The ride was much darking than in the past. Like, the endless hallway, you could barely make out the candle flames. The candleabra was completely dark, you could not see it at all. It was the same way with the knocking doors. You could hear the knocks but you could not see any details of the doors. This continued on through out the ride...you could just barely make out the musical instruments floating around the crystal ball. And, there was no way to see the hanging, hidden mickey, frying pan looking thing that hangs on a beam in the attic scene. I hope I'm not making too much of this, it was just strange. I can't wait to see what they do with this wonderful classic!
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They may have already taken some of the lighting offline that was in the worst shape. In preperation for the rehab. I wouldn't read too much into it, they are probably only running the attraction with half the effects, possibly because they have been marked for repair/replacement, so they don't bother to turn them on anymore. Just a guess tho. :shrug:
 
IcicleM

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When I was there recently, I noticed how dark it was as well. I can't WAIT to see new lighting. Pirates is soooo much prettier with the new lighting, and you can soak in all the details.
 
Bratstarman

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mousermerf said:
Compliance is the ability to move toward a point by accelerating, overshoot, and then counter the action to return to the correct spot. People do it naturally.

Just move your arm to an aimed-for spot, and you'll slightly overshoot and then return to it.

Animatronics originally could only goto a spot, and if they overshot, they overshot. If they stopped at the spot suddenly, they jerked - too much momentum/force not being properly released. Sort of like a car hitting a brick wall.

So, it's really not the frame, but rather the individual part that's moving.
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Merf, not to be picky, but compliance is a little bit different than you described it. Compliant materials are soft and flexible. A stiff, rigid frame shakes when motion stops because the structure is not damped. That is, it acts like a set of springs connected together. A complaint structure does not shake the same way.

Compliance damps these oscillations, and everything appears much smoother and natural. A human body has compliant skin and muscles and naturally does not move in a jerky, shaky fashion.

As applied to animatronics, compliance is a software approach which mimics the damped motion of compliant structures. Although the animatronic is not changed a whole lot, the motion better simulates that of a living human. But in the end it's mostly software, with special actuators that can be properly programmed.

End of engineering lesson :)
 
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filmgeek101

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back to topic, im very excited for the new refurbishments. I saw the refurb at DL last summer in the attic and I loved it, I hope they do they same at MK. As for SSE, I have mixed feelings. I feel the great need for upadte, especially since everytime I ride the ride it shuts down, but the soundtrack is going to be changed, and that breaks my heart. My favorite part of that ride is the end with all the fiber optics and that wonderful music. Bah.:shrug:
 
unkadug

unkadug

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Bratstarman said:
Merf, not to be picky, but compliance is a little bit different than you described it. Compliant materials are soft and flexible. A stiff, rigid frame shakes when motion stops because the structure is not damped. That is, it acts like a set of springs connected together. A complaint structure does not shake the same way.

Compliance damps these oscillations, and everything appears much smoother and natural. A human body has compliant skin and muscles and naturally does not move in a jerky, shaky fashion.

As applied to animatronics, compliance is a software approach which mimics the damped motion of compliant structures. Although the animatronic is not changed a whole lot, the motion better simulates that of a living human. But in the end it's mostly software, with special actuators that can be properly programmed.

End of engineering lesson :)
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Or let's really get technical:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5568022.html
Title:Integrated compliance servovalve
Document Type and Number:United States Patent 5568022
An integrated compliance electrohydraulic servovalve system connected to a load such as a simulated living being to provide more realistic movement thereto. The system includes a pressure transducer for sensing the pressure appearing at the output of the electrohydraulic servovalve and which is applied to an actuator connected to the load. The pressure as sensed is developed into a corresponding electrical signal which is used as a feed back signal to the drive motor of the electrohydraulic servovalve. The actuator position signal is also provided and is summed with the position command input signal to provide the command signal which is also summed with the pressure signal prior to application to the drive motor. The utilization of the pressure feed back signal provides compliance to the over all system resulting in a realistic movement of the simulated living being.
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