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[flynnibus]

It would also be something that would be very hard to minimize in the media

But there could be scenarios which they may not work. My original point was that a manual evacuation of the gondola system would be a very big deal in comparison another ride or transportation system. I hope that it will never happen, but for some to say that it could not happen is naive.

In recent memory, monorails collided and KILLED someone... yet monorails are still in use and the public doesn't blink an eye. And you keep beating this drum about bad PR about a simple EVAC possibility?

How much PR flak do you really think is gonna come from 'guests were safely evacuated from the gondola'?

 

[Kamikaze]

I was supposing that the gondola evac equipment would not be a scaffold-like thing that needs to be built up, but rather a combination of scissor lifts (that can get under a cabin) and cherry-picker-type equipment to bring people down in a bucket. All very mobile. And with multiple evac vehicles operating at the same time.

Thats correct. Its basically going to be a truck (or two) and a boat (maybe two boats?) that have scissor style lifts on the back on them. There will be areas that they won't be able to reach, such as above the CBR buildings, so I guess they will have another method to reach those spots.

 

[flynnibus]

I was supposing that the gondola evac equipment would not be a scaffold-like thing that needs to be built up, but rather a combination of scissor lifts (that can get under a cabin) and cherry-picker-type equipment to bring people down in a bucket. All very mobile. And with multiple evac vehicles operating at the same time.

I think the ECV is the only element that complicates how I would think how they would do it. As you say, it doesn't take super specialized stuff to do this for land based evac due to the low heights. Since you have emergency people involved already, they might even require all non-ambulatory people to be manually moved vs stay in a EVC/wheelchair. Since the gondola is free hanging, my question comes from how much they would require to couple the basket to the gondola.. which would be even more rigid if dealing with ECVs/chairs.

 

[Minthorne]

In recent memory, monorails collided and KILLED someone... yet monorails are still in use and the public doesn't blink an eye. And you keep beating this drum about bad PR about a simple EVAC possibility?

How much PR flak do you really think is gonna come from 'guests were safely evacuated from the gondola'?

What if there were a bus accident and people were killed? I bet no one would ever ride a bus again...

 

[JayKZ]

Oh my, the doom and gloom is getting heavy on this thread.

Getting heavy?

 

[NormC]

An aerial evac from a gondola would be only in the extreme case where the cable cannot be moved and that would only require evac of that one line. The other lines would return guests to stations safely. There are redundant power supplies, redundant drive systems and even a manual method to return the cabins to a station for evacuation. These would be used unless the cable was dislodged, broken or otherwise immobilized.

 

[nolatron]

Looks like a Gondola has appeared in the CB station

Source: WD News Today

 

[MisterPenguin]

An aerial evac from a gondola would be only in the extreme case where the cable cannot be moved and that would only require evac of that one line. The other lines would return guests to stations safely. There are redundant power supplies, redundant drive systems and even a manual method to return the cabins to a station for evacuation. These would be used unless the cable was dislodged, broken or otherwise immobilized.

The power went down and the back up generators were hit by lightning! We only have manual cranking of the line left to bring those people in. Quick, get Gaston!!

 

[monothingie]

An aerial evac from a gondola would be only in the extreme case where the cable cannot be moved and that would only require evac of that one line. The other lines would return guests to stations safely. There are redundant power supplies, redundant drive systems and even a manual method to return the cabins to a station for evacuation. These would be used unless the cable was dislodged, broken or otherwise immobilized.

Yes exactly right, for comparison, high angle monorail evacuations are extremely rare, it’s only happened less than a handful of times since opening. Still RCID FD does annual training for this scenario.

I suspect and hope that during design first responders were consulted and contributed to the design and before the system is fully operational first responders will drill and test.

 

[monothingie]

How much PR flak do you really think is gonna come from 'guests were safely evacuated from the gondola'?

As stated before a full manual gondola evacuation could potentially take multiple hours because would be an extremely complex incident to handle. RCID FD and mutual aid can handle it. But consider Because of environmental factors (heat and weather)It has the potential to also be a MCI. It will be slow frustrating and very publicly viewed, covered, and critiqued. So Do you really think the headline is going to be positive?

 

[OG Runner]

I was supposing that the gondola evac equipment would not be a scaffold-like thing that needs to be built up, but rather a combination of scissor lifts (that can get under a cabin) and cherry-picker-type equipment to bring people down in a bucket. All very mobile. And with multiple evac vehicles operating at the same time.

They have a small folding ladder in a closet at each statement. If more than that is needed. They become the Gondolas of Doom, we
have come to know and love.

 

[MisterPenguin]

They have a small folding ladder in a closet at each statement.

Those are mighty powerful words, there.

 

[peter11435]

As stated before a full manual gondola evacuation could potentially take multiple hours because would be an extremely complex incident to handle. RCID FD and mutual aid can handle it. But consider Because of environmental factors (heat and weather)It has the potential to also be a MCI. It will be slow frustrating and very publicly viewed, covered, and critiqued. So Do you really think the headline is going to be positive?

Everything you just said can also be said about the Monorail. And it has happened; numerous times.

 

[mmascari]

I suspect and hope that during design first responders were consulted and contributed to the design and before the system is fully operational first responders will drill and test.

There's no need to just hope. They're building an entire boat dock specifically for a water rescue craft for the water based stretch.

 

[NormC]

I suspect and hope that during design first responders were consulted and contributed to the design and before the system is fully operational first responders will drill and test.

I am sure they have and will. After all this is a one of a kind, never been done before system that requires all kinds of special life saving equipment and procedures.

 

[OG Runner]

Those are mighty powerful words, there.

I swear I spelled "station". Please, believe me.

 

[ChrisFL]

I was supposing that the gondola evac equipment would not be a scaffold-like thing that needs to be built up, but rather a combination of scissor lifts (that can get under a cabin)

Why am I imagining a scissor-lift being lifted up by another scissor-lift, and then another....

 

[twilight mitsuk]

Emergency drive systems

 

[monothingie]

Everything you just said can also be said about the Monorail. And it has happened; numerous times.

Except it won't be limited single 203 foot train length, but a mile or two length of gondola cabs. That is the difference.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Why am I imagining a scissor-lift being lifted up by another scissor-lift, and then another....

I think it is because you are over-thinking just how high up the Gondolas will be. For the most part you could probably jump from then with no worse then a broken leg. (not that anyone wants a broken leg, but, compared to the alternative, I'd take it)