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[MisterPenguin]

For CBR, the cabanas are having a retrofit of scissor lifts installed in the roof tops.

 

[NormC]

Even a mile or two of gondola cable will impact less guests then a single monorail train.

A single train holds 360 passengers if it is full. If the 10 person cabins on one line are also full it would be more than 360 people. No one has confirmed the number of cabins yet but the rumor was 325 were ordered including spares. If 100 were on each line that would be 1000 guests. This is just a hypothetical though as I suspect each line will have a different number of cabins strung on it based on spacing and overall length.
Impact would be determined by how fast they can clear the monorail versus the cable and how many guest now have to seek alternate routes. Too much math for me. You may be right because of how long it takes to send a tug out to get the broken train and restore service.

 

[Driver]

CMs have ALWAYS told us we have to take the boat to MK. It also says it in the FW brochure that is the only transportation option.

Are you NOT reading what I'm saying? I DRIVE that bus! Load Zone #2 after 4:00 pm. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That bus route is an absolute fact, maybe the CM's who tell you to take the boat don't know about it. Especially if it's a CM not familiar with bus routes.

 

[ChrisFL]

The more I think about the gondolas, the more I wish they had gone with a Personal Rapid Transport system instead. They could even call it Peoplemover 2.0

 

[flynnibus]

But consider Because of environmental factors (heat and weather)It has the potential to also be a MCI. It will be slow frustrating and very publicly viewed, covered, and critiqued. So Do you really think the headline is going to be positive?

Mass casualties incident? You’re just trolling at this point.

Mass covered... critiqued? You seem to conveniently ignore the recent history of actual news coverage of Disney transport and what it means one month later, one year, and more.

In recent times, there have been deaths involving Disney transport directly both due to systemic failures and pure accidents - for both buses and monorails. Neither are even part of casual discussion... let alone some lasting public stigma due to them.

You keep going on like chicken little that they are going to have a PR nightmare due to a multi hour evac.

Can you name all the roller coasters that have had to have FD evacs in the last 18months without googling it? No... because it makes the news and when there is no actual harm, it moves out of the news cycle in a week.

 

[rle4lunch]

Lol, people freaking out about a slow moving transfer system with multiple redundant safety systems, but get on fast moving rollercoaster 'type' rides such as SM/RnRc/BTMR without a care in the world...

 

[GoofGoof]

Evacuations will occur multiple times a year... when they are doing training.

Chairlifts have a metal loop where ski patrol will setup a top rope anchor and then the people on the chair will put on a sling and be lowered one at a time. This can take hours to evacuate a whole lift. It's pretty clear that Disney has made this lift pretty accessible from the ground and can use platforms.

The only major incident I recall when working at a ski resort was a broken drive shaft, but that was replace without evacuating the chair. Modern lifts don't have driveshafts so I guess that particular issue wont be a problem.

Thanks. I think this is point we need to keep in mind. A failure of the primary and backup systems that will result in the need to evacuate the gondola cars manually should be an extremely rare event. They obviously need to have a plan in place and train the rescue workers just in case, but that doesn’t mean it will be a common occurrence. If for some reason it was occurring frequently, then I would agree with the theory that it could be a PR nightmare.

 

[flynnibus]

Tempest in a teapot.... pretty much sums up 95% of this thread

 

[monothingie]

Mass casualties incident? You’re just trolling at this point.

First time I've been called a troll here. Putting aside your usual condescension when challenged, since I actually have experience with this as first responder myself, let me clarify it to you beyond your google search of what an MCI is. Mass Casualty Incidents are incidents in which the resources of initial responders are immediately overwhelmed by the sized of the incident and number of POTENTIAL/actual injuries. First responders will always err on the side of caution unless someone can self evacuate and also until people are evaluated. When an IC arrives at the incident everyone unable to self-extricate themselves is considered a victim in need evaluation and assistance.

Mass covered... critiqued? You seem to conveniently ignore the recent history of actual news coverage of Disney transport and what it means one month later, one year, and more.

Yes our 24 hour news cycle can barely keep up with everything that happens in the country right now. Obviously an incident at Disney World is not going to be relevant weeks and months past the event. But when it does happen it does get significant play. Negative news is also the last thing that any PR person in the entertainment/themepark/resort industry would like to have.

In recent times, there have been deaths involving Disney transport directly both due to systemic failures and pure accidents - for both buses and monorails. Neither are even part of casual discussion... let alone some lasting public stigma due to them.You keep going on like chicken little that they are going to have a PR nightmare due to a multi hour evac.

Can you name all the roller coasters that have had to have FD evacs in the last 18months without googling it? No... because it makes the news and when there is no actual harm, it moves out of the news cycle in a week.

Mission Space was permanently stigmatized after the tragic incidents after opening. You can't walk on a Disney shoreline without it being fenced off or seeing a sign warning of alligators. You can't ride the monorail system without being it being drilled into your head about doors that may open unexpectedly if leaned upon, etc, etc.

 

[Minthorne]

First time I've been called a troll here. Putting aside your usual condescension when challenged, since I actually have experience with this as first responder myself, let me clarify it to you beyond your google search of what an MCI is. Mass Casualty Incidents are incidents in which the resources of initial responders are immediately overwhelmed by the sized of the incident and number of POTENTIAL/actual injuries. First responders will always err on the side of caution unless someone can self evacuate and also until people are evaluated. When an IC arrives at the incident everyone unable to self-extricate themselves is considered a victim in need evaluation and assistance.


Yes our 24 hour news cycle can barely keep up with everything that happens in the country right now. Obviously an incident at Disney World is not going to be relevant weeks and months past the event. But when it does happen it does get significant play. Negative news is also the last thing that any PR person in the entertainment/themepark/resort industry would like to have.



Mission Space was permanently stigmatized after the tragic incidents after opening. You can't walk on a Disney shoreline without it being fenced off or seeing a sign warning of alligators. You can't ride the monorail system without being it being drilled into your head about doors that may open unexpectedly if leaned upon, etc, etc.

There was a bus accident today that could be considered a MCI as mutual aid was required.

https://www.local10.com/theme-parks/15-disney-guests-injured-in-bus-crash-at-epcot

 

[tomast]

Except it won't be limited single 203 foot train length, but a mile or two length of gondola cabs. That is the difference.

and some parts even on water

 

[joelkfla]

And there is bus service from MK to FW always has been .

I don't know how they can "make" you take the boat. That bus stops at the outpost. I know this for a fact, I've driven it !

Are you NOT reading what I'm saying? I DRIVE that bus! Load Zone #2 after 4:00 pm. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That bus route is an absolute fact, maybe the CM's who tell you to take the boat don't know about it. Especially if it's a CM not familiar with bus routes.

The post-4PM bus service from FtW to MK picks up at the Settlement, not the Outpost. It has not always been; it started a year or 2 ago.
Before that, Guests who could or would not take the boat to MK had to take the internal shuttle to WL, and transfer to the MK bus. Unless service has changed very recently, that's still true most of the day.

I was a driver for 9 years until I retired about 2 1/2 ago, and drove out of all 5 hubs as well as FtW. I don't recall there being any regular direct bus service between FtW & MK during the time I was a driver, at any time of day.

 

[joelkfla]

In recent times, there have been deaths involving Disney transport directly both due to systemic failures and pure accidents - for both buses and monorails.

Can you be specific about a bus-related fatality due to systemic failure?

 

[Doug Means]

Tempest in a teapot.... pretty much sums up 95% of this thread

this sounds like another way someone may possible die on these gondolas

 

[larryz]

Are you NOT reading what I'm saying? I DRIVE that bus! Load Zone #2 after 4:00 pm. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That bus route is an absolute fact, maybe the CM's who tell you to take the boat don't know about it. Especially if it's a CM not familiar with bus routes.

The post-4PM bus service from FtW to MK picks up at the Settlement, not the Outpost. It has not always been; it started a year or 2 ago.
Before that, Guests who could or would not take the boat to MK had to take the internal shuttle to WL, and transfer to the MK bus. Unless service has changed very recently, that's still true most of the day.

I was a driver for 9 years until I retired about 2 1/2 ago, and drove out of all 5 hubs as well as FtW. I don't recall there being any regular direct bus service between FtW & MK during the time I was a driver, at any time of day.

You two surely see our dilemma here, don't you?

Two bus drivers, disagreeing on something...

 

[GoofGoof]

The post-4PM bus service from FtW to MK picks up at the Settlement, not the Outpost. It has not always been; it started a year or 2 ago.
Before that, Guests who could or would not take the boat to MK had to take the internal shuttle to WL, and transfer to the MK bus. Unless service has changed very recently, that's still true most of the day.

I was a driver for 9 years until I retired about 2 1/2 ago, and drove out of all 5 hubs as well as FtW. I don't recall there being any regular direct bus service between FtW & MK during the time I was a driver, at any time of day.

Thanks to you and @Driver for sharing this info. Bus service seems to be an ever changing thing at WDW. I guess they are always trying to improve things or make the routes most efficient based on usage. If anything I think this anecdotal example of bus service at FtW shows that even if there is no bus service to EPCOT or DHS at the gondola resorts on day 1 of operations it doesn’t mean that it will stay that way forever. If there’s enough of a need they could reinstate the bus service or if they keep running buses on a less frequent schedule they could always cancel them too if the demand isn’t there.

 

[flynnibus]

First time I've been called a troll here. Putting aside your usual condescension when challenged, since I actually have experience with this as first responder myself, let me clarify it to you beyond your google search of what an MCI is. Mass Casualty Incidents are incidents in which the resources of initial responders are immediately overwhelmed by the sized of the incident and number of POTENTIAL/actual injuries.

Except an evac will NOT overwhelm Disney/RCID - it will be the exact type of situation they plan for.. because they know exactly what will be involved. And no people will not be boiling alive - so there isn't major issues about people's health in jeopardy. They'll communicate with every cabin and ensure people are fine.. then systematically go through the evacs as needed.

You keep talking about hypotheticals without acknowledging the actual realities that counter and diminish your hypotheticals.

Yes our 24 hour news cycle can barely keep up with everything that happens in the country right now. Obviously an incident at Disney World is not going to be relevant weeks and months past the event. But when it does happen it does get significant play. Negative news is also the last thing that any PR person in the entertainment/themepark/resort industry would like to have.

And attractions are evac'd daily... riders get stuck for hours every season.. and yet there is nothing worth mentioning a month later. Your hypothetical PR nightmare is just debunked time and time again by the existing track record. Will it make the news? Of course. Will it be a PR issue? Not at all... its more a curiosity more than anything. Now if it happens so frequently, then it will become its own story... because the story will be about the unreliable transport that has big consequences. But if it's just because an evac happens... it will be in and out in a week.

Mission Space was permanently stigmatized after the tragic incidents after opening. You can't walk on a Disney shoreline without it being fenced off or seeing a sign warning of alligators. You can't ride the monorail system without being it being drilled into your head about doors that may open unexpectedly if leaned upon, etc, etc.

And none of those things are even a blip in the public conscious or on the PR team's hot items. And you're still missing that FATALITIES have been managed without your PR nightmare... and you're droning on about how a EVAC that won't even have injuries is going to be some nightmare.

A freaking door is hanging below the monorail beam on social media... and you're concerned about safe, evacs people train for?

Reality check dude...

 

[flynnibus]

Can you be specific about a bus-related fatality due to systemic failure?

Sorry if I was not clear... the 'systemic and accidential' was meant for 'disney transport'. Fatalties have happened with both buses and monorail. The intent was for that grouping.

The bus fatality of the small child running into the moving bus was an accident... some might argue is avoidable if the street/curb/access stuff is changed.. but I just call it an accident.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Tempest in a teapot.... pretty much sums up 95% of this thread

It's even worse then that because literally a tempest in a teapot is an over-reaction to an event. This one hasn't even had an event. It's just an over-reaction to event pulled out of collective butts and made to sound like they have already happened someplace, sometime and are absolutely going to happen again.

 

[danlb_2000]

Except an evac will NOT overwhelm Disney/RCID - it will be the exact type of situation they plan for.. because they know exactly what will be involved. And no people will not be boiling alive - so there isn't major issues about people's health in jeopardy. They'll communicate with every cabin and ensure people are fine.....

How exactly would they do that?