These gondolas have the exact opposite problem: no heaters. They're huddling together for warmth.
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These gondolas have the exact opposite problem: no heaters. They're huddling together for warmth.
Goofyernmost
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Please explain how, even if it were to happen, it would be worse then a monorail catching fire on the way to MK just after leaving the Contemporary? If you are going to attempt to scare people at least have the ability to explain why. It's mostly just a few feet above the ground, no possible fire issue with cleared pathways the entire way. Me thinks you are just trying to stir up the pot with next to impossible scenario's in an attempt to make people really think they are death traps. If I were a betting man, I would say that these things are possibly the safest transportation system they have ever attempted to use.
Goofyernmost
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peter11435
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Among many others..
"According to reports, the gondola cars were empty at the time and no one was injured. It is believed that high winds from a strong storm ranging across the Alps played a roll in the accident."
It's a darn good thing that Florida is nowhere near the Alps.
trainplane3
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If anything, it shows how hard it is to disconnect one from a cable.
cindy_k
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Yeah, because storms (not talking hurricanes) with strong winds never happen in Central Florida....
oh! ooops
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/s...mage-across-central-florida_20151105190159966
I can't wait to ride them, but I will definitely be choosing a clear weather day.
Like always your statement comes from the perspective of being misinformed. No one is stirring the pot.
In the event of a line stoppage that requires a manual evacuation, first responders would have to manually evacuate every gondola cab along the line. This could be dozens of cabs along a mile or two gondola line, some of which may not be accessible over land. RCID FD has two specialized pieces of apparatus designed for monorail rescues, as well as an aerial tower ladder. Ground ladders are probably not an option. These pieces are not designed to operate on the go, they need to be setup and broken down for each attempt. It would be a very time consuming process, labor intensive process. The RCID FD is a top notch fire department, but it would be a very tough task (which could extend for hours)for them to do. It would also be something that would be very hard to minimize in the media.
Additionally statistically speaking with regards to the monorails, considering the age, number of miles traveled, number of people moved, and hours operated factored against the number or deaths or injuries, the monorail system at WDW should be considered an extremely safe and reliable form of transportation. But incidents do occur, and often they blow up on social media and are sensationalized because it is happening at WDW.
Incomudro
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Mayor Vaughan in JAWS: "Listen Martin, it's all psychological... " "You yell Barracuda, people go- huh? What?"
"You yell Shark!" "And we've got a panic on our hands on the 4th of July"
There is a different psychological effect to being stuck in a gondola and stuck on a monorail.
Both to the people stuck in the respective cabins, and the public hearing the news.
A stuck monorail is a stationary train. A train sitting on a concrete structure.
A stuck gondola is a cabin dangling on a wire.
I like the gondola's and support them, but they are different.
"You yell Shark!" "And we've got a panic on our hands on the 4th of July"
There is a different psychological effect to being stuck in a gondola and stuck on a monorail.
Both to the people stuck in the respective cabins, and the public hearing the news.
A stuck monorail is a stationary train. A train sitting on a concrete structure.
A stuck gondola is a cabin dangling on a wire.
I like the gondola's and support them, but they are different.
I agree, evacuation of an entire line will not be trivial. There could be some challenges based on where the gondola cars actually stop...
- Over a road would require shutting down the traffic on the road.
- Over a parking lot. Would rescue equipment be able to access a gondola from the aisles between parked cars or would cars have to be moved?
- What happens when a car stops directly over a building at CBR?
- Hourglass lake, we know they are building a special boat launch, but having to evacuate a couple cars over water will complicate things.
I am not trying to play the doom and gloom game, but there are definitely some challenges to an evacuation.
Kamikaze
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This would only be the case if the stoppage caused the line to be completely immobile. The backup generator should be able to move the line enough to unload anyone so such a large scale evac is not necessary.
JoeCamel
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But if no one maintains the backup generator.........
Kamikaze
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So we've already got the system falling into disrepair?
JoeCamel
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I am in the doom and gondola thread right? And it will be maintained by TDO?
Grimley1968
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Even if the generators work, there will be probably something like a 5-10 second delay between power going off and the generators taking over. That means 5-10 seconds of no movement and therefore no ventilation! Oh my.
Yes, I know about the back up systems, but there are still scenarios where the line will not be movable and an evac will have to happen.
Goofyernmost
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Mine comes from no personal information other then what I have read here and logic tells me is sensible and is only a common sense approach and lack of panic over things unknown. Your approach to this topic is based on fear and panic. You don't have a long history of actual problems and if you did most of it was climbing up a mountain with snow all over the ground and trying to get rescue vehicles there. Not on any real basic knowledge on how these things operate and what training and equipment has been procured to handle such unlikely emergencies. It is indeed stirring a pot with no knowledge of what is in that pot. Your name indicates that you are loyal to Monorails, and that is fine, but, you aren't knowledgeable concerning gondola's. I will be the first to admit that a lot of the "concerns" about the current Monorail problems are nothing more then knee jerk reactions, and since there are way less moving parts with the gondola's it would indicate that they are likely to be as dependable, if not more, then any other form of Disney Transportation .
Ski areas have been using open air bench seat gondola's for years and years in the dead of winter with very little problem and yet you seem bent on convincing every one that the Disney gondola is the same thing as playing Russian roulette. If there is going to be a problem severe cold is more then likely going to cause it before a balmy day in Florida. It is much ado about nothing! I can't wait for them because I want to ride them and if I end up as dead as you seem to imply that I might, then I at least will have gone with a smile on my face.
I have sat at the base lodge in Stowe, Vermont when the chill factor was reading -38 F. with bitter cold and strong winds. The bench style gondola's as well as the regular gondolas like Disney's, just kept going like the Energizer Bunny. I don't think anyone should be concerned about it in Florida. I would be far more concerned about sitting in a broken monorail waiting for the "mule" to clear the rails and get to the train and then haul it someplace. How come some are worried about the steel cable breaking and never give a though to prestressed concrete beams that have been sitting out in the elements for 47 years. What's stopping one of those from just snapping in half?
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Exactly, the same can be said with the monorail system. The backup is the diesel work tractor. The backup systems will be sufficient for the overwhelming majority of situations in which they are need.
But there could be scenarios which they may not work. My original point was that a manual evacuation of the gondola system would be a very big deal in comparison another ride or transportation system. I hope that it will never happen, but for some to say that it could not happen is naive.
I was supposing that the gondola evac equipment would not be a scaffold-like thing that needs to be built up, but rather a combination of scissor lifts (that can get under a cabin) and cherry-picker-type equipment to bring people down in a bucket. All very mobile. And with multiple evac vehicles operating at the same time.