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[flynnibus]

How exactly would they do that?

These gondolas will be within reasonable distance from the ground. Use a megaphone if you have to.

 

[GoofGoof]

How exactly would they do that?

Each gondola will be equipped with a helper monkey. Of course the monkeys will be trained in sign language to communicate with first responders on the ground. They will also provide a small hammer so if you are trapped long enough in the gondola the hammer can be used to convert the monkey into an emergency source of food

 

[raymusiccity]

First time I've been called a troll here. Putting aside your usual condescension when challenged, since I actually have experience with this as first responder myself, let me clarify it to you beyond your google search of what an MCI is. Mass Casualty Incidents are incidents in which the resources of initial responders are immediately overwhelmed by the sized of the incident and number of POTENTIAL/actual injuries. First responders will always err on the side of caution unless someone can self evacuate and also until people are evaluated. When an IC arrives at the incident everyone unable to self-extricate themselves is considered a victim in need evaluation and assistance.


Yes our 24 hour news cycle can barely keep up with everything that happens in the country right now. Obviously an incident at Disney World is not going to be relevant weeks and months past the event. But when it does happen it does get significant play. Negative news is also the last thing that any PR person in the entertainment/themepark/resort industry would like to have.



Mission Space was permanently stigmatized after the tragic incidents after opening. You can't walk on a Disney shoreline without it being fenced off or seeing a sign warning of alligators. You can't ride the monorail system without being it being drilled into your head about doors that may open unexpectedly if leaned upon, etc, etc.

Leaning against any door in any transportation system will only have one positive result. I believe it's called thinning the shallow end of the gene pool !! (Paraphrasing 'Scar')

 

[monothingie]

Except an evac will NOT overwhelm Disney/RCID - it will be the exact type of situation they plan for.. because they know exactly what will be involved. And no people will not be boiling alive - so there isn't major issues about people's health in jeopardy. They'll communicate with every cabin and ensure people are fine.. then systematically go through the evacs as needed.

That statement shows your misunderstanding of how first responders operate at an emergency scene. You are oversimplifying and severely underestimating difficulty of operations.

As an example, today they had a bus accident today with 15 injuries and had to rely on mutual aid from two counties to accommodate the injured. This is not done haphazardly, it's done based on SOGs, training and an IC assessing the situation. The working assumption for any incident of this nature is assume the worse and have get resources needed to deal with it moving. You can alway cancel them if they are not needed.

I really don't want to keep going back and forth with you because we disagree on what we've been discussing. If you want to continue this discussion, PM and we can talk.

 

[flynnibus]

That statement shows your total lack of knowledge and understanding of how first responders operate at an emergency scene. You are oversimplifying and severely underestimating how it works.

And you think RCID is too and is going to be caught flat footed about this, and an evac is going to end up being a cluster@%$$? And that every EVAC will actually be a life and death situation where people are going to die if not retrieved within 30mins?

You think they are completely going to skip the ASSESS phase and immediate go into zOMG EVERYONE IS DYING mode?

Or is it, RCID is tightly integrated with TWDC, will be staffed and equipped to handle the the unique challenges this form of transportation poses... and EVACs rarely result in injuries because there are strict policies and methods in place that are known and practiced?

So please.. tell us again who we need to so concerned about for this EVAC? The millions of blades of grass that will make the sacrifice needed to drive the trucks along the gondola route? Or is it the hundreds of guests who will be boiled alive because they had to sit on their tush for 2hrs?

 

[MisterPenguin]

If human beings were able to adequately assess the true riskiness of various situations, and they wind up considering the gondolas as too big a risk, then they'd also never step into a car or bus ever again... or a bathroom.

Globally, over three thousand people die every single day (on average) from vehicular accidents. Even accounting for capacity, gondolas have a safer record than cars.

But who looks at a car and says "I'm not getting in that thing!" And if the A/C in the car isn't working, refuse to drive it? What if there's a traffic jam and there's no movement of air?... it's a death trap!!

 

[JoeCamel]

If human beings were able to adequately assess the true riskiness of various situations, and they wind up considering the gondolas as too big a risk, then they'd also never step into a car or bus ever again... or a bathroom.

Globally, over three thousand people die every single day (on average) from vehicular accidents. Even accounting for capacity, gondolas have a safer record than cars.

But who looks at a car and says "I'm not getting in that thing!" And if the A/C in the car isn't working, refuse to drive it? What if there's a traffic jam and there's no movement of air?... it's a death trap!!

Same thing with planes. Very good safety record but many won't fly because they are not on the ground. Unreasonable fears to most but very real to some.

 

[build_it]

Tempest in a teapot.... pretty much sums up 95% of this thread

 

[Creathir]

If human beings were able to adequately assess the true riskiness of various situations, and they wind up considering the gondolas as too big a risk, then they'd also never step into a car or bus ever again... or a bathroom.

Globally, over three thousand people die every single day (on average) from vehicular accidents. Even accounting for capacity, gondolas have a safer record than cars.

But who looks at a car and says "I'm not getting in that thing!" And if the A/C in the car isn't working, refuse to drive it? What if there's a traffic jam and there's no movement of air?... it's a death trap!!

100% correct, but the primary complaints behind the gondola system are attributed to a perception issue.

One is solid feeling, doesn't sway with the wind, and and while is statistically much more dangerous, it still does not frighten people on the surface level.

Honestly, people will get used to it, it will just take time. Worst case, they'll take a second or two to step into the boarding line, maybe freak out a little when actually getting onto the gondola, but the excitement of the park at the other end will outweigh that concern.

 

[GoofGoof]

Same thing with planes. Very good safety record but many won't fly because they are not on the ground. Unreasonable fears to most but very real to some.

For some people I think it’s also a loss of control. Even though cars are way more deadly they feel like they have control because they are either driving themselves or they know how easy it is to drive vs the unknown of what a pilot actually does. Did you ever look into the cockpit of a plane? There’s a whole boat load of buttons and dials. Lots to remember.

 

[Skibum1970]

For some people I think it’s also a loss of control. Even though cars are way more deadly they feel like they have control because they are either driving themselves or they know how easy it is to drive vs the unknown of what a pilot actually does. Did you ever look into the cockpit of a plane? There’s a whole boat load of buttons and dials. Lots to remember.

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I would agree with this. Plus, there's the whole "Augh!!! 30,000 feet between me and the ground which means certain doom if anything goes wrong!!!"

I actually like flying but it took a few flights. The easiest way to drive gondola usage home is to eliminate bus service to Epcot and DHS or significantly reduce the number of buses (ex. One per hour and make it a shared bus). People will adapt. We don't like to but we will.

 

[donaldtoo]

 

[Driver]

You two surely see our dilemma here, don't you?

Two bus drivers, disagreeing on something...

I don't want to discredit him however I guess I need to kick this up a notch. Something I have only mentioned once is I teach at Disney University part time. And one important thing we HAVE to mention is the "first" ever bus route from back in the seventies. This is when busses were under the parking dept. And that route is from MK to FW, Disney is very fond of this "first route" and this is why it still exists today after all these years. They would not have us teach this if it was not true. Say what you want about Disney but some things they do are traditions they want to continue. This route is called the "Green Route" I mentioned this because of it's sister route that is by boat (green flag). I'm not saying I'm never wrong,but what I put here I can always back up with the supporting facts. I would gain nothing nor would I help anyone by fabricating or cultivating rumors. Fact can be stranger than fiction.

 

[Driver]

The post-4PM bus service from FtW to MK picks up at the Settlement, not the Outpost. It has not always been; it started a year or 2 ago.
Before that, Guests who could or would not take the boat to MK had to take the internal shuttle to WL, and transfer to the MK bus. Unless service has changed very recently, that's still true most of the day.

I was a driver for 9 years until I retired about 2 1/2 ago, and drove out of all 5 hubs as well as FtW. I don't recall there being any regular direct bus service between FtW & MK during the time I was a driver, at any time of day.

I don't know how to respond to you other than , I have driven this route personally. The fact that you are unaware does not mean it doesn't exist. And as I mentioned this was Disney's very first bus route and is taught at Disney University today!

 

[toolsnspools]

Here's a couple of pictures of the turning station that is closest to the EPCOT station, from the Boardwalk Villas parking lot yesterday. That Tow line was on the ground along Buena Vista Dr., probably getting ready for splicing. From the ground, the turning station looks much larger than I imagined.

 

[JoeCamel]

Here's a couple of pictures of the turning station that is closest to the EPCOT station, from the Boardwalk Villas parking lot yesterday. That Tow line was on the ground along Buena Vista Dr., probably getting ready for splicing. From the ground, the turning station looks much larger than I imagined.

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Yea! Gondola in the Gondola thread

 

[toolsnspools]

Yea! Gondola in the Gondola thread

I did it for the shock factor...

 

[joelkfla]

I don't know how to respond to you other than , I have driven this route personally. The fact that you are unaware does not mean it doesn't exist. And as I mentioned this was Disney's very first bus route and is taught at Disney University today!

Well, then somebody needs to tell MK Bus Ops and the FtW coordinator, because they are not aware of such a route either -- or at least were not at the time I was driving out of those hubs.

2 weeks ago I was visiting WL. I was looking for a bus back to MK, but the arrivals board said "Take watercraft". When a bus pulled into the MK load zone, the driver said that at some time in the afternoon (he wasn't sure of the time because he only drove nights and was fairly new), the WL bus starts circling from MK to WL to FtW to MK, with no stop at WL on the way back. I boarded the bus, which then went to FtW Settlement (not Outpost) and then directly back to MK.

During the years I drove out of MK, there was never a FtW bus out of load zone 2. FtW was never listed on the directory boards at the entrance to the load zones. Load zone 2 was used by the WL bus. When I drove the FtW internal shuttle, Guests were instructed to go to Settlement for the boat to MK, and to Outpost for buses to all other locations. The 2014 resort map given to Guests, scanned here, says the same. Like I said, I retired 2 1/2 years ago, so I don't know what has changed since then, except for my personal experience 2 weeks ago.

 

[MiddKid]

Amid all the talk about people worrying about evacing a low gondola over flat land while wearing casual clothes, I thought we could pause and admire one of my favorite trams I’ve ever ridden...Lone Peak Tram at Big Sky. The bottom terminal is built on top of a moving (yes moving) glacier. There are a grand total of zero towers between the top and the bottom. The terrain is so steep that any sort of evac is basically impossible. The car packs in 15 people and it is standing room only...no seats. Our friend @Lift Blog has a great page on it:
https://liftblog.com/lone-peak-tram-big-sky-resort-mt/

The day I rode it the wind was whipping and it was snowing so hard the visibility was about 1/4 of the way up the haul rope. No one in the almost hour long queue (they purposefully keep capacity low due to the difficult terrain and weather at the top) seemed too concerned about evacing...

Somehow I don’t think Doppelmayr is too worried about the “challenges” of WDW.

Back to your regularly scheduled paranoia.

 

[JoeCamel]

Amid all the talk about people worrying about evacing a low gondola over flat land while wearing casual clothes, I thought we could pause and admire one of my favorite trams I’ve ever ridden...Lone Peak Tram at Big Sky. The bottom terminal is built on top of a moving (yes moving) glacier. There are a grand total of zero towers between the top and the bottom. The terrain is so steep that any sort of evac is basically impossible. The car packs in 15 people and it is standing room only...no seats. Our friend @Lift Blog has a great page on it:
https://liftblog.com/lone-peak-tram-big-sky-resort-mt/

The day I rode it the wind was whipping and it was snowing so hard the visibility was about 1/4 of the way up the haul rope. No one in the almost hour long queue (they purposefully keep capacity low due to the difficult terrain and weather at the top) seemed too concerned about evacing...

Somehow I don’t think Doppelmayr is too worried about the “challenges” of WDW.

Back to your regularly scheduled paranoia.

Is it on a glacier or glacier deposits? Moraine is the debris at the end of a glacier. Southern Wisconsin is covered with it.
Also am I reading correctly? 200 persons per hour?