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[Mike730]

But they are correlated. The station needs to be able to accept the incoming gondolas. So the rate of incoming gondolas is “limited” by the station. Yes the two systems run at different line speeds... but they try to maintain a 1:1 transfer ratio. Disney won’t send any guests around a loop a second time... they’d slow the line if the station were to cascade.

Disney’s target line speed and cabin density would be constrained by what they want their station operating procedures to be.

As long as both stations dispatch at the same rate it doesn’t matter what the line speed is. The line can never overload a station unless one station slows or stops without the other doing the same.

 

[flynnibus]

As long as both stations dispatch at the same rate it doesn’t matter what the line speed is.

Yes, but as your very statement says... it is dependent on the stations dispatch. That's why the two items are CORRELATED

"have a mutual relationship or connection"

The line (as intended for guests) can't run completely independent of the stations. The stations have the ability to absorb X cabins by design, and probably run with a slight margin for overload for safety.. which you'd likely slow the line for before using.... but still must dispatch at a rate consistent with the inflow to the station. The inflow to the station is dictated by the main line speed and cabin spacing.

Increasing the line speed without increasing spacing means the station must dispatch QUICKER. Hence why it's a constricting point in the design. The station must be able to dispatch to maintain the cabin spacing or risk further cascading. The side lines in the station and how many cabins they hold just increase the amount of time a SINGLE cabin stays in the station... it doesn't change the dispatch requirement.

 

[Mike730]

Yes, but as your very statement says... it is dependent on the stations dispatch. That's why the two items are CORRELATED

That’s not what that means. Neither one depends on the other. The line speed is dependent on nothing but how fast they feel like making it that day.

 

[flynnibus]

That’s not what that means. Neither one depends on the other. The line speed is dependent on nothing but how fast they feel like making it that day.

Correct in isolation... Wrong as a whole.

 

[NormC]

They are correlated or connected. The loading and unloading speed is a percentage of the main cable speed. According to Lift Blog the tires that move detached cabins are driven by the main line through belts and gear boxes.

 

[Kamikaze]

I was thinking if you run at full speed (let's just say it's 11 MPH), but load times are taking longer than anticipated, that unload would become a bit like the end of It's a Small World, where boats are all backed up.

Its 11 on the line. Station speed is more like 1 or 2. Lift Blog would probably be able to tell us what normal station speed is.

 

[nickys]

I disagree. IAAPA 2017 was about this time last year and the skyliner wasn't announced until D23. IAAPA Europe 2018 started today. So either Doppelmayer was talking about it before the system was announced and we all somehow missed it (highly unlikely) or someone talked today to Doppelmayer at the show and Kenny the Pirate posted it (more Likely).

Yes, our insiders have said all along that there would be no A/C, but this appear so he first time someone "official" associated with either Disney or Doppelmayer has said there would be no A/C.

Hang on. D23 was in July 2017, IAAPA was in September 2017.

What am I missing here? September was after July last time I checked.

Not saying KTP is correct and they discussed it last year, but it is possible. More likely though someone talked prior to the start of this year’s IAAPA perhaps?

 

[GlacierGlacier]

Hang on. D23 was in July 2017, IAAPA was in September 2017.

What am I missing here? September was after July last time I checked.

Not saying KTP is correct and they discussed it last year, but it is possible. More likely though someone talked prior to the start of this year’s IAAPA perhaps?

The IAAPA attractions expo 2017 was in November, but that isn't much of a difference to your argument.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The IAAPA attractions expo 2017 was in November, but that isn't much of a difference to your argument.

That is the main expo held in Orlando. There is also the Euro Attractions Show (EAS) going on right now and the Asian Attractions Expo that was in June.

 

[lifeguard1020]

The IAAPA attractions expo 2017 was in November, but that isn't much of a difference to your argument.

Thank you...I was confused with people talking about IAPPA is in September. My company goes every year, and it has always been at the start of November.

 

[GlacierGlacier]

Gotcha. There's a ton of entertainment conventions around this time of year.

I'm volunteering at the TEA SATE conference in Orlando/SeaWorld next week - let me know if you're going to be there!

 

[Flalex72]

They are correlated or connected. The loading and unloading speed is a percentage of the main cable speed. According to Lift Blog the tires that move detached cabins are driven by the main line through belts and gear boxes.

This is correct - the tires in the station move at a fixed ratio of the line speed. A small bank of tires may be separately computer controlled to slow down or speed up cabins as they move through the station, to keep the spacing between cabins constant.

If the line moves faster, the cabins moving through the station will move slightly faster, this is fixed at the system design stage.

 

[joelkfla]

The speed of the gondola (11 mph) has nothing to do with the speed of boarding. Whether it was 15.8 mph or 8 mph, it would be the same speed at loading. So no, they will not be slowing it down until it gets sorted out.

That's what I thought, but someone (liftblog?) said the tires in the stations are usually driven off the rope by reduction gears, not independently powered. If that's true, then speed thru the station would be tied to the rope speed.

 

[nickys]

That's what I thought, but someone (liftblog?) said the tires in the stations are usually driven off the rope by reduction gears, not independently powered. If that's true, then speed thru the station would be tied to the rope speed.

The cars will detach from the main cable for unloading and loading, whilst the cable keeps moving at the 11.4 mph. Then the cars reattach to the main cable and off they go.

 

[flynnibus]

This is what happens when people talk past each other...

Yes, cabins detach from main line.. True

but their speed or time in the station is not arbitrary. There are dependencies to keep the station from cascading, you must also try to maintain the outflow of cabins if you want to maintain consistent spacing on the main line... and the practical matter that the engineering of the station can derive it's rotational power from the main line which in turn moves cabins in the station.

TL: DR - It's a system - not things working in complete isolation... even tho there are solutions to make exceptions.

 

[nace888]

I'll venture a guess that station speed will be about 1.5-MAYBE 2 MPH... The monorails on the new system were arriving and slowing down to around 3MPH in station before stopping, if I recall correctly. 1.5-2MPH would be a nice speed. HOWEVER, they may just take speed preferences from rides like Haunted Mansion and Peoplemover to judge their needs.

 

[allgiggles]

Wind chill.

Wait...this is the first time someone mentioned wind chill. I'm always cold....am I going to need a coat to ride this in June????? If I do, that means I need a parachute, a life preserver, some type of weapon, AND a coat to go on this thing. Guess I better start shopping for the perfect Skyliner bag.....

 

[nace888]

Wait...this is the first time someone mentioned wind chill. I'm always cold....am I going to need a coat to ride this in June????? If I do, that means I need a parachute, a life preserver, some type of weapon, AND a coat to go on this thing. Guess I better start shopping for the perfect Skyliner bag.....

Disney: -releases Gondola toys-
Disney: -releases Gondola apparel-
Disney: "Oh crap, they're gonna get cold!!"
Disney: -releases Gondola coats-
Disney: "There, they'll be warm and cozy with our Gondola Merch!!"
Disney: "Oh wait, they have too much stuff! QUICK, MAKE A BAG!"
Disney: -releases special Gondola ONLY bag-
Disney: "COME GET YOUR NEW MERCH, AND A BAG TO PUT IT IN!"

Sad thing is, I'm dying as I write this!!

 

[Lensman]

I'll venture a guess that station speed will be about 1.5-MAYBE 2 MPH... The monorails on the new system were arriving and slowing down to around 3MPH in station before stopping, if I recall correctly. 1.5-2MPH would be a nice speed. HOWEVER, they may just take speed preferences from rides like Haunted Mansion and Peoplemover to judge their needs.

We could estimate the actual speed if we know the distance between cars on the line and the ideal spacing in the station. The ratio of the spacings will be the ratio of the speeds, right?

Edit: I originally said that the total length of the station was a desirable part of the equation, but it isn't really. The length of the station just tells us the combined unload + boarding time will be, given the speed of the cars in the station.

 

[joelkfla]

HOWEVER, they may just take speed preferences from rides like Haunted Mansion and Peoplemover to judge their needs.

HM and Peoplemover board from synchronized moving platforms, so their effective speed is 0mph. Not relevant to this situation.