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Squigglove

Squigglove

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Kamikaze said:
Tough one to pull off. If you were at say Pop and wanted to go to Epcot without taking a bus, you'd have to go to either MK or AK, then take a bus back to Beach Club and enter through the IG entrance.
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It really seems like such a racket right now. And you factor in that they are now charging to park on resort property - one is swayed to believe that they are trying to push Disney-Only transportation. Which, at least at this point, doesn't seem like the best option. This is going to take years. Traffic and parking in the actual theme parks is a nightmare, which I believe is what they're trying to eliminate. I even cried on my last trip because I was alone with a one-year old in 110degrees and couldn't find my car in the MK lot and it was barren of anyone that could help me.
 
Kamikaze

Kamikaze

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MisterPenguin said:
D'oh! I meant to say Park to Park direct routes!! 😳
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Weren't those eliminated when Express Transport started? Still, if you were at PC and wanted to go to Epcot without the Skyliner, you'd either have to go to MK or AK. AK buses aren't as common as MK, so you might wait longer off the start. Then you get to AK and wait for the Epcot bus. Or if you go to MK, you have to get on the monorail to TTC, transfer to Epcot line, and go into Epcot. Pretty sure Pop to MK to Beach and enter via IG is the fastest route.
 
MisterPenguin

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Kamikaze said:
Weren't those eliminated when Express Transport started? Still, if you were at PC and wanted to go to Epcot without the Skyliner, you'd either have to go to MK or AK. AK buses aren't as common as MK, so you might wait longer off the start. Then you get to AK and wait for the Epcot bus. Or if you go to MK, you have to get on the monorail to TTC, transfer to Epcot line, and go into Epcot. Pretty sure Pop to MK to Beach and enter via IG is the fastest route.
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According to this, updated this month, there is park to park buses except for MK-Ep, which forces the monorail in lieu of buses.

https://*************.com/how-to-navigate-with-disney-world-transportation/

OK, I learned something new... there is a third website we're not allowed to link to.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Incomudro said:
I didn't say that I want them to run a fleet of buses to accommodate me.
Those are your words.
I'm simply pointing out that there are likely more people than you think that are going to be staying at gondola served hotels that will not get on a gondola.
Eliminating buses (if that's actually the case) at these resorts may leave more people looking for alternative means to and from the parks than you or I think.
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I think you are magnifying your (or your wifes) fear onto way more people then actually exist. And that isn't even the argument here. If they decide to make a number of hotels on their property connectable to parks via Gondolas how does that prevent you from simply going to a resort that is serviced by the type of transportation that does fit your needs. I don't know what they are going to do if some people book a room and are not aware of that particular situation, but, it is hardly anything new. Why? Because it just became a resort that doesn't serve your or even many, according to you, needs. Life is like that, so we chose the things that fit with our needs and that is where we focus our time and attention. It is silly to argue over something like this when it has no real detrimental affect on your life unless you wish to make a point and go there anyway and then try and force an issue of transportation. It really isn't an issue for the vast majority.
 
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mmascari

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Bairstow said:
Yeah, probably so, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Nothing is being reduced.
Between the increases in overall park attendance and overall resort occupancy, the current bus fleet is overextended and is being expanded. The gondola service, when it's running, will only partially offset the overall increase in bus operations, resort-wide.
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But, that's the entire point here. The number of buses used to service the resorts that have skyliner service will be reduced. The frame of reference for the "increase, decrease, neutral" is "resorts the sykyliner services".

That's a completely independent and different question from the frame of reference "entire bus system". To understand the impact to the "entire bus system" question, first you need to know the difference between "entire bus system current capacity" and "entire bus system required capacity".

Both the "resorts the sykyliner services required capacity" and hence the "entire bus system required capacity" will be reduced. This has no impact on "entire bus system current capacity" continuing needing to increase if its still lower than the "entire bus system required capacity", which is what it sounds like.

Basically, if they should be adding 1,000 buses to meet required capacity now, and they only have to add 600 buses to meet required capacity after the skyliner is active, that's a reduction in the number of new buses they need to add by 400. They still need to increase from the current number. It's like a budget reduction that still gives you more money next year but is less than the increase you asked for. People call it a reduction even though they spend more money. :)
 
truecoat

truecoat

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NormC said:
Not really as we had just said it nine posts before yours. But hey, enjoy yourself. Join in.
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Lensman

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Incomudro said:
Really?
My wife would never ride in a gondola.
I think she's a bit nuts that way, but surely there are many guests like her that would be afraid to travel that way.
In reality, it's not really fear on her part - more of a claustrophobia thing.
You can step off of a stranded bus.
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It's not totally unreasonable - could be a heights thing as well. But you never can tell what will trigger these kinds of fears or whether you can overcome these instinctual fears and get used to it. Or you maybe she will be able to start thinking of the gondola as a "thrill ride" and get extra value from riding it? I'm pretty addicted to roller coasters but they definitely trigger the release of a lot of adrenaline from my danger response at the top of the hill.

The other factor you should anticipate is that the pricing for Pop/Animation/CBR is anticipated to go up after the gondola starts running. So chances are that if you view the gondola as a minus rather than a plus, you'll probably find one of the other resorts a better value.

Grimley1968 said:
WDW rarely provides bus service between destinations that have some other form of direct transportation between the two, unless the other form of transportation is down for some reason. It stands to reason that they'd eliminate bus routes between gondola resorts and DHS. That'll be a LOT of buses off the roads in that area, which will be nice.

I do wonder if they'll have a smaller number of buses serving EPCOT's front gate from the gondola resorts, since the only other option is the IG via the gondolas. I doubt it, though.
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I agree with you and doubt it as well. They don't have any buses serving the Epcot front gate from Boardwalk, Beach Club, or Yacht Club, right?

mmascari said:
That's still a reduction in buses then.

If area X needs 20 more buses, and the Skyliner reduces buses to those resorts by 10 buses. As a whole, buses are still expanded, but not by as much.

It sounds like they're way under required capacity now vs provided capacity. Skyliner will reduce required capacity. If it's still above provided capacity, they'll still need to expand provided capacity in general. As long as the difference between the two is bigger than the reduction, they'll be adding buses somewhere in the system.
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I bet they will need the buses freed up from Pop/Animation/CBR to add to the bus schedule from the other resorts to the Studios after the SW:GE opening. And it probably helps them to have these buses be repurposed rather than new because it won't mess up their capital plan for replacing the buses with their next generation buses if they are going to transition from biodiesel to something even more sustainable like hybrid biodiesel.

Squigglove said:
It really seems like such a racket right now. And you factor in that they are now charging to park on resort property - one is swayed to believe that they are trying to push Disney-Only transportation. Which, at least at this point, doesn't seem like the best option. This is going to take years. Traffic and parking in the actual theme parks is a nightmare, which I believe is what they're trying to eliminate. I even cried on my last trip because I was alone with a one-year old in 110degrees and couldn't find my car in the MK lot and it was barren of anyone that could help me.
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This is one of my fears - losing track of my car in those massive parking lots. I even looked into those "remember where we've parked" apps. My sister used to bring an antenna ball for the rental car to help us find the car. I even remember buying a Mickey antenna ball at the Emporium.

Kamikaze said:
Weren't those eliminated when Express Transport started? Still, if you were at PC and wanted to go to Epcot without the Skyliner, you'd either have to go to MK or AK. AK buses aren't as common as MK, so you might wait longer off the start. Then you get to AK and wait for the Epcot bus. Or if you go to MK, you have to get on the monorail to TTC, transfer to Epcot line, and go into Epcot. Pretty sure Pop to MK to Beach and enter via IG is the fastest route.
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What about Pop->Springs->Beach/Boardwalk.

But if I found myself in this situation I'd probably drive. We usually have a car thought. And yes, I know this solution is made worse by the new overnight parking charge.
 
Lensman

Lensman

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TiggerDad said:
The issue of whether buses will continue to run, and the option of staying elsewhere, has been covered ad nauseum on this thread, but that didn't stop the OP from raising it again.
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Is there a way to link to (thread) search results? I found 62 results searching for "fear" in this thread.
 
Grimley1968

Grimley1968

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2percenter said:
I agree with you and doubt it as well. They don't have any buses serving the Epcot front gate from Boardwalk, Beach Club, or Yacht Club, right?
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I haven’t stayed at BC since 2004, but this was true then. I haven’t kept up with whether anything has changed in this regard since then.
 

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