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Grimley1968

Grimley1968

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Has there been any word on how high the gondola lines will be on average for most of their runs (not counting where they have to clear resort buildings or near loading stations)?
 
MisterPenguin

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Disney's fiscal year ends Sept 30. So, unless they still want to be doing significant construction in October of 2019, then as far as fiscal years are concerned, it doesn't matter if they finish the gondola this October or next August.

Also, once outdoor construction starts, stalling the construction and exposing your equipment and supplies and construction interiors to the elements can be more expensive than any sort of accounting benefit from spreading the cost.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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Goofyernmost said:
I don't think we have a single "insider" that has access to the accounting practices of a company the size of Disney and if they did the primary location would be in California. What I do know is until a Capital Investment comes on line actual cash has no strength at all. Capital items are handled and charged off as depreciation almost nothing unless they bought an arrangement of flowers for the project manager are considered cash expense and Disney would almost never use their own money to finance the construction. The asset "cash" is transferred to being an asset "property". Nothing is considered an expense that has tax implications. If they are building an attraction for the purpose of drawing paying customers to the parks it would be counter-intuitive to delay production all the while spending out cash to build it. It makes no sense at all especially when you consider the humongous cash reserve of TWDC.
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People who have demonstrated intimate knowledge of what goes on inside the company have verified that his is a big reason for the construction speed. I will take their word over yours.
 
nickys

nickys

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MisterPenguin said:
Disney's fiscal year ends Sept 30. So, unless they still want to be doing significant construction in October of 2019, then as far as fiscal years are concerned, it doesn't matter if they finish the gondola this October or next August..
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Finished as in built, or finished as in built, tested etc?

Either way, that's where their choice comes into play. Either open it up later this year, or include it in a year when Star Wars and Riviera opens ( or at least starts selling). They've opted for the latter.

Although in the case of the gondola, additional factors come into play. Didn't @liftblog say the timing was to suit Dopplemeyer's busy ski resort season too?
 
MisterPenguin

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nickys said:
Finished as in built, or finished as in built, tested etc?

Either way, that's where their choice comes into play. Either open it up later this year, or include it in a year when Star Wars and Riviera opens ( or at least starts selling). They've opted for the latter.

Although in the case of the gondola, additional factors come into play. Didn't @liftblog say the timing was to suit Dopplemeyer's busy ski resort season too?
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If WDW wants to spread the cost of building the gondolas over 18 months, they're doing a horrible job of it now that all this construction is happening all at once.

If the opening isn't for more than a year away, it'll be due to some sort of strategic marketing, most likely tied to Riviera since all six stations are going vertical now and it looks like all the towers will be in place in a month.

Once they started building TSL and the two SWLs, did anyone see any intentional delays in construction with them?
 
Grimley1968

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danlb_2000 said:
Here is a good picture from Blog Mickey that shows how low they will be.

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I was hoping someone would provide a photo. It's about 40 degrees and windy where I am currently, so that is a welcome sight. So it looks like the line there might be slightly lower than those beautiful palm trees swaying gently in the 80 degree breeze. :)
 
Creathir

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MisterPenguin said:
If WDW wants to spread the cost of building the gondolas over 18 months, they're doing a horrible job of it now that all this construction is happening all at once.

If the opening isn't for more than a year away, it'll be due to some sort of strategic marketing, most likely tied to Riviera since all six stations are going vertical now and it looks like all the towers will be in place in a month.

Once they started building TSL and the two SWLs, did anyone see any intentional delays in construction with them?
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Agree completely. I know the insiders have stated plans are for a much later opening, but given what we have seen and heard from people familiar with the installation of these things, they’ll be ready to roll in no time...

Wouldn’t it be advantageous to get it done this year anyway? Then they can start the depreciation process and claim it on this year’s taxes?
 
Goofyernmost

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danlb_2000 said:
People who have demonstrated intimate knowledge of what goes on inside the company have verified that his is a big reason for the construction speed. I will take their word over yours.
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Your prerogative, but, unless they are the head of Accounting (CEO) they just plain do not know anything for sure. They are taking the word of others just like we do with our insiders. Some have more credibility then others, but, no matter how great their credibility and source of information, the workings of the accounting systems are so complex that no one person has a clue.There are many good reasons why they might drag their feet on some of these, but, it isn't to spread costs around to a large enough degree to dictate delay. Delay also means delay in income from the investment. Unless there is a physical reason for any delay there is no real incentive to do so. It just increases the cost with no supporting income. In other words, it makes no sense. Timing,OK! Errors, OK! Spreading out attractions to give the illusion of constant change, OK. To spread out the cost, sorry, that also increases the cost!
 
lazyboy97o

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Goofyernmost said:
No, that is not how accounting for capital investment works. They set the opening dates based on how many things they want to open at certain time. They would be idiots to open everything all at once. Other factors are like the length of time for the 7DMT built in the middle of an active theme park with limited access both in space and time of day. It's like moving a mountain of dirt with a 5 gallon bucket instead of a dump truck. Also, something that none of us would know about might be that errors in planning or errors in engineering can also delay things and we would never know that.
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That doesn’t answer the issue of timeline, just completion. It doesnt offer an explanation for why the still unopened Slinky Dog Dash started construction before the now open Time Traveler.
 
lazyboy97o

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Goofyernmost said:
Your prerogative, but, unless they are the head of Accounting (CEO) they just plain do not know anything for sure. They are taking the word of others just like we do with our insiders. Some have more credibility then others, but, no matter how great their credibility and source of information, the workings of the accounting systems are so complex that no one person has a clue.There are many good reasons why they might drag their feet on some of these, but, it isn't to spread costs around to a large enough degree to dictate delay. Delay also means delay in income from the investment. Unless there is a physical reason for any delay there is no real incentive to do so. It just increases the cost with no supporting income. In other words, it makes no sense. Timing,OK! Errors, OK! Spreading out attractions to give the illusion of constant change, OK. To spread out the cost, sorry, that also increases the cost!
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There isn’t just one person involved in decision making and implementing that decision. It is hundreds of people who have to know what is happening with just a single project.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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creathir said:
Agree completely. I know the insiders have stated plans are for a much later opening, but given what we have seen and heard from people familiar with the installation of these things, they’ll be ready to roll in no time...

Wouldn’t it be advantageous to get it done this year anyway? Then they can start the depreciation process and claim it on this year’s taxes?
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If Disney has decided they will open next summer then at some point we will see construction slow down to "meet" that date., Read the Toy Story Land thread from late last year and you will see a lot of people saying how it looked like it would open far before when Disney had announced, read the thread now and you will see people wonder how it will get done by then.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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Goofyernmost said:
Your prerogative, but, unless they are the head of Accounting (CEO) they just plain do not know anything for sure. They are taking the word of others just like we do with our insiders. Some have more credibility then others, but, no matter how great their credibility and source of information, the workings of the accounting systems are so complex that no one person has a clue.There are many good reasons why they might drag their feet on some of these, but, it isn't to spread costs around to a large enough degree to dictate delay. Delay also means delay in income from the investment. Unless there is a physical reason for any delay there is no real incentive to do so. It just increases the cost with no supporting income. In other words, it makes no sense. Timing,OK! Errors, OK! Spreading out attractions to give the illusion of constant change, OK. To spread out the cost, sorry, that also increases the cost!
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"it isn't to spread costs around to a large enough degree to dictate delay."

How do you know this if you aren't the head of Accounting for Disney? You are make firm statement about the way things work in Disney just like others are.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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danlb_2000 said:
If Disney has decided they will open next summer then at some point we will see construction slow down to "meet" that date., Read the Toy Story Land thread from late last year and you will see a lot of people saying how it looked like it would open far before when Disney had announced, read the thread now and you will see people wonder how it will get done by then.
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It's opening up 30 days later than expected. And I haven't seen the posts where people are doubting it will open in time.
 

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