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[MisterPenguin]

Thanks for replies @danlb_2000 and @MisterPenguin . Do you have to get of the gondola on every leg of the journey? Say if you're going from Caribbean Beach to Epcot, do you have to get out at Riviera? Or if you're going from Pop to Epcot do you get out? Or is there specific gondolas with specific destinations ions on them like buses?

There are three lines: Pop to CBR hub; DHS to CBR hub; Epcot to CBR hub passing through Riviera.

If your journey makes you go through the hub, you get off and back on. We're not sure how they will work the on and off at the Riviera.

 

[davis_unoxx]

There are three lines: Pop to CBR hub; DHS to CBR hub; Epcot to CBR hub passing through Riviera.

If your journey makes you go through the hub, you get off and back on. We're not sure how they will work the on and off at the Riviera.

Thank you!!!!

 

[Timothy_Q]

There are three lines: Pop to CBR hub; DHS to CBR hub; Epcot to CBR hub passing through Riviera.

If your journey makes you go through the hub, you get off and back on. We're not sure how they will work the on and off at the Riviera.

Isn’t the Riviera just a turn, and not actually a station?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Isn’t the Riviera just a turn, and not actually a station?

No, Boardwalk is the turning station.

 

[Lift Blog]

When you talk about a capacity of 4000 to 5000 per hour, first I assume this is on each leg, but does that mean 4000 to 5000 in each direction, or total in both directions?

Standard lift capacity metric is PPHPD (passengers per hour per direction) because in ski land, people generally only care about upward capacity. Many ski lifts are designed with minimal download capacity even though the same number of carriers are travelling down as up at any given time.

The Disney gondolas will almost certainly have the equal capacity in both directions. If each line ends up at 4,500 PPHPD, total capacity of the system would be 27,000 per hour. A ski resort like Park City, Utah has a lift capacity of 75,000 skiers per hour just in the up direction.

 

[NearTheEars]

I honestly don’t know what else people wanted from the design on these stations. If they were over the top, they’d stand out like a sore thumb. To me, it looks like they’ve been design to blend in with their surroundings, especially the EPCOT station which I’m happy to see.

To each their own, I guess.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Standard lift capacity metric is PPHPD (passengers per hour per direction)

Oh, great. Now we got to do vector math!!

 

[lazyboy97o]

I honestly don’t know what else people wanted from the design on these stations. If they were over the top, they’d stand out like a sore thumb. To me, it looks like they’ve been design to blend in with their surroundings, especially the EPCOT station which I’m happy to see.

To each their own, I guess.

Proper use of architectural elements is now a crazy, over the top idea?

 

[Timothy_Q]

Proper use of architectural elements is now a crazy, over the top idea?

Cue the “it’s just a gondola station, most people won’t care” comment

 

[King Panda 77]

Cue the “it’s just a gondola station, most people won’t care” comment

Are the majority of guests bothered how the bus stops are themed or the monorail stops ?

 

[Lift Blog]

The math was worked out above in the thread. From memory: the slowest people per hour that these gondolas would do is 2,400 pph. So, imagine a line with 240 people in it. Six minutes later... it's gone. Some have speculated the pph would be 4-5 thousand... I'm skeptical of that, but if true, would make it twice as fast.

Each leg is about 4-5 minutes. The longest trip would be AoA/PoP to Epcot at 12 minutes (from memory).

Since the line to board and the gondolas would be constantly moving, any wait would seem like nothing compared to waiting for a bus and stop-and-go traffic.

Key to remember with lifts is there are three ways to increase throughput. Speed is one but you can also increase the size of the cabins and/or shorten the cabin spacing. 8-10 passengers per cabin seems to be the sweet spot for loading so that leaves speed and cabin spacing as variables. We seem to have settled on 8 for Disney and the maximum possible speed is 1378 feet per minute. Then it all comes down to spacing.

A path to 4,400:
-8 passenger cabins
-1378 ft/min line speed
-150' spacing

Current world record is 4,500:
-10 passenger cabins
-1280 ft/min line speed
-171' spacing

A path to 4,800:
-10 passenger cabins
-1,200 ft/min line speed
-150' spacing

A path to 5,000:
-8 passenger cabins
-1,378 ft/min line speed
-130' spacing - not sure this is possible.

 

[Timothy_Q]

Are the majority of guests bothered how the bus stops are themed or the monorail stops ?

Thanks for making the comment I just made fun someone was gonna make!

Right on cue too

 

[marni1971]

Are the majority of guests bothered how the bus stops are themed or the monorail stops ?

Comments like this point out why they can remove the ornate ironwork and glass from the IG gateway station and get away with it.

 

[King Panda 77]

Thanks for making the comment I just made fun someone was gonna make!

Right on cue too

Your welcome.
But you are trying to deflect the truth with sarcasm. most people don't care how the transportation buildings etc are themed as long as they are reliable and clean. It is only a small minority who will take up the fact that they are not massively themed.

 

[King Panda 77]

Comments like this point out why they can remove the ornate ironwork and glass from the IG gateway station and get away with it.

I know. It is sad but true.

 

[Timothy_Q]

Your welcome.
But you are trying to deflect the truth with sarcasm. most people don't care how the transportation buildings etc are themed as long as they are reliable and clean. It is only a small minority who will take up the fact that they are not massively themed.

I’m not saying how the stations should or shouldn’t be. That was someone else’s post.

I’m just saying every single discussion has the same generic and short sighted comment that you just made. “Most people won’t care”

 

[MisterPenguin]

Thanks for making the comment I just made fun someone was gonna make!

Right on cue too

Well, go ahead and mock me because I wasn't disappointed in the artist conceptions. Make fun of my ridiculously low standards. In my opinion, expecting a high bar of architectural exuberance for a gondola station is what's risible.

Disney could have settled for a grey box. That the stations have some architectural elements matching their surroundings and color is perfectly fine for me.

 

[King Panda 77]

Well, go ahead and mock me because I wasn't disappointed in the artist conceptions. Make fun of my ridiculously low standards. In my opinion, expecting a high bar of architectural exuberance for a gondola station is what's risible.

Disney could have settled for a grey box. That the stations have some architectural elements matching their surroundings and color is perfectly fine for me.

You are not alone in liking them.

 

[danlb_2000]

Woah!! That's way quicker than the bus or FriendShip boats ( I know they don't service the aforementioned resorts)!! I cannot believe people are moaning over this system, its a major WIN!

I think that would be highly dependent on the time it takes to transfer.

 

[King Panda 77]

I’m not saying how the stations should or shouldn’t be. That was someone else’s post.

I’m just saying every single discussion has the same generic and short sighted comment that you just made. “Most people won’t care”

If the discussions are all the same and predictable then why even bother commenting ?