Rodan75
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There is a level of snark in this thread that truly makes it special, folks really put forward their A game.
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There is a level of snark in this thread that truly makes it special, folks really put forward their A game.
TiggerDad
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That is the plan, according to some of the insiders on this thread. The gondolas would be within the security perimeter.
DisneyJeff
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- In the Parks
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I believe that it's been stated earlier that the gondola system will be within the secure zone, meaning that you will have to go through security before you get on. You will not have to go through security again at Epcot or at DHS.
Edit: What he said ^^^.
flynnibus
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The entire point of the ada act was to make accessibility STANDARD and not something that was a burden for the disabled.
allgiggles
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I'm wondering if the ECV/Wheelchair combo will fit in one Gondola car?
Bender123
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We do try...even sarcasm can be magical in the right hands.
Incomudro
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Yes, but require proof for handicapped parking spots so that the able bodied do not take advantage of the system.
You're correct on how it works. That clamp is squeezed open in the station and it let's go of the cable.@Lift Blog Can you give any details on the connector grip itself? What kind of force is required to detach and re-attach the cable grip? Or am I misunderstanding how this works?
In this photo, you can see 2 wheels on the left, and 1 on the far right. When entering the station, these roll in a track that supports the car. The high wheel near the center is pushed down by the track, compressing those springs, the ones that look like car suspension coil springs. That opens the clamp and releases the cable. Above the left wheels is a skid. There are tires in the station that push on this skid to move the car along the track, decelerating on the way in, slowly through the middle, then accelerating on the exit. The exit should have some downward slope so gravity helps the acceleration and lands the clamp on top of the cable. Springs are released and it's gripping the cable again.
Think of the track more like a slot that contains these parts through the station. Every detachable lift in operation, not just gondolas, uses something similar and have been around a long time. In your car, those same type of springs, probably 1 at each tire, support the entire weight of your car, a not trivial amount of weight (unless you drive a smart car).
That's a lot of force gripping the cable, it'll be fine.
The promotional videos show this.
Unless there's freezing rain. That freezing rain allows it to slip sideways in the track, in a direction it's not supposed to move in. Not a problem getting back on the wire, the ice is gone by then. But, it messes up the deceleration part of the trip when you disconnect. Snow is fine, and so is rain. Only freezing rain is the issue. A frequent problem in FL.
Bender123
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Disney should just put cable clamps on all rental ECVs, so the people driving them can just be linked directly to the cable and avoid the whole loading into a cabin process. Just strap granny into the ECV, clamp her to the rope and let her fly off to Epcot.
Depends on your lateral jumping distance.
Grimley1968
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You're correct on how it works. That clamp is squeezed open in the station and it let's go of the cable.
In this photo, you can see 2 wheels on the left, and 1 on the far right. When entering the station, these roll in a track that supports the car. The high wheel near the center is pushed down by the track, compressing those springs, the ones that look like car suspension coil springs. That opens the clamp and releases the cable. Above the left wheels is a skid. There are tires in the station that push on this skid to move the car along the track, decelerating on the way in, slowly through the middle, then accelerating on the exit. The exit should have some downward slope so gravity helps the acceleration and lands the clamp on top of the cable. Springs are released and it's gripping the cable again.
Think of the track more like a slot that contains these parts through the station. Every detachable lift in operation, not just gondolas, uses something similar and have been around a long time. In your car, those same type of springs, probably 1 at each tire, support the entire weight of your car, a not trivial amount of weight (unless you drive a smart car).
That's a lot of force gripping the cable, it'll be fine.
The promotional videos show this.
Unless there's freezing rain. That freezing rain allows it to slip sideways in the track, in a direction it's not supposed to move in. Not a problem getting back on the wire, the ice is gone by then. But, it messes up the deceleration part of the trip when you disconnect. Snow is fine, and so is rain. Only freezing rain is the issue. A frequent problem in FL.
Great post.
That's a little simpler process than I thought it might be, and obviously one that has worked well for a long time.
Bender123
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So...how deep is that pool? Asking for a friend...Also, whats the rate for a rental ECV if I...my friend...misses and needs one?
NormC
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My dachshund loves baths in the tub.
misterID
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I can't tell you how nervous those things make me. Also, doesn't anyone thing they're going to ruin the skyline of the resort? Like Christmas lights strung across a tiki bar.I'm excited about the way this system will connect some of the resorts and parks.
The part that has always worried me is the interface between the gondola and the cable as it seems like the "weakest link in the chain".
@Lift Blog Can you give any details on the connector grip itself? What kind of force is required to detach and re-attach the cable grip? Or am I misunderstanding how this works?
Service Animals:
1. Service Animals do not need certification or papers, so, asking for proof doesn't mean anything. Some states have certification programs, but the Federal ADA doesn't require it.
2. You can ask: "Is that animal needed to provide a service because of a disability?" and "What service does it perform?"
3. Companion animals and emotional support animals are not service animals and are not covered by the ADA. They can be legally excluded.
4. If a Service Animal can't be reasonably accommodated (e.g. go on a bungee ride), then they can be excluded.
5. If a Service Animal is disruptive (barks in a theater, e.g.) it can be excluded.
6. Otherwise, Service Animals may not be excluded from places of public accommodation.
Bibliography:
1. Service Animals do not need certification or papers, so, asking for proof doesn't mean anything. Some states have certification programs, but the Federal ADA doesn't require it.
2. You can ask: "Is that animal needed to provide a service because of a disability?" and "What service does it perform?"
3. Companion animals and emotional support animals are not service animals and are not covered by the ADA. They can be legally excluded.
- Though, don't confuse these animals with a true service animal for someone with a psychiatric disorder. If they're a service animal, they do something the owner can't do for themselves.
- And don't confuse any of these with a Therapy Animal which is used in nursing homes, e.g. Therapy Animals are not covered by the ADA.
5. If a Service Animal is disruptive (barks in a theater, e.g.) it can be excluded.
6. Otherwise, Service Animals may not be excluded from places of public accommodation.
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thepirateking
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That's really my only real concern about this system. I don't think cables and towers are that pretty. At least it will be cutting through the trees in some areas and low to the ground for the most part.
Or like giant pillars of greyed out concrete running right through a park with a continuous crossbeam blotting out the sky?
jaklgreen
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My kids are 13 months apart and we stopped using a stroller when the youngest turned 5. We go yearly and they did not have any issues with walking all day. In fact, kids have more energy then adults do. By the time my girls were 8 they said that they wouldn't be caught dead in a stroller because strollers are for babies. We were more then happy to be rid of of the stroller, it is more of a pain then a benefit. Especially if your kids are well past the age of needing one. I find it fascinating how kids that age never needed to be in a stroller up until about 15 years ago. Now older kids are unable to walk for themselves? What are we doing wrong that kids are now incapable of doing things that past generations were able to do?
MissPixie
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Like I said we went this July and my son is 2 and sure we brought the stroller because his little legs did get tired at times as expected, but he preferred to walk and have his hand held. He could see things a lot better than sitting in the stroller with the shaded thing over him because it was so hot. I preferred him to walk even though it made for my arm and shoulder to hurt by days end with all the pulling, but he did need the stroller from time to time because he got tired. I can't see him even at 5 years old wanting anything to do with a stroller.