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Vacationeer

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flynnibus said:
which means nothing.
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To you, that's nice. Is this a hive collective? I really dont even understand what is getting defended here; there's nothing to defend. Disney made some changes that were out of character but I'm sure they had good reason. None of us know exactly why because WDW made the changes without addressing it publicly to my knowledge.
That doesn't change the fact that they changed the hours and that is more than "nothing" because guests need reliable info from WDW so WDW does not take posting schedules lightly. They err on the side of caution to stay as accurate as possible normally.

You people are ridiculous. I never called anyone a liar, much less Disney.
^sorry, i take that back. But this whole process does feel a bit ridiculous.
 
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Andrew C

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Billy Belcaro said:
Disney made some changes that were out of character but I'm sure they had good reason. None of us know exactly why because WDW made the changes without addressing it publicly to my knowledge.
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This is not unusual. WDW changes park hours all the time. Usually extending normal hours if necessary, or adding/cutting EM Hours.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Billy Belcaro said:
To you, that's nice. Is this a hive collective? I really dont even understand what is getting defended here; there's nothing to defend. Disney made some changes that were out of character but I'm sure they had good reason. None of us know exactly why because WDW made the changes without addressing it publicly to my knowledge.
That doesn't change the fact that they changed the hours and that is more than "nothing" because guests need reliable info from WDW so WDW does not take posting schedules lightly. They err on the side of caution to stay as accurate as possible normally.

You people are ridiculous. I never called anyone a liar, much less Disney.
^sorry, i take that back. But this whole process does feel a bit ridiculous.
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In your research, did you notice DHS line was scheduled to open with a bigger lead time before park opening than the EPCOT line was? Did you stop to think why that would be?

That should give you a hint about how the hours are set... they were expecting daily pre-opening crowds for SW:GE.

The original hours posted were upwards of two hours before park opening. That is extra ordinary for a park that isn't hosting pre-opening activities. Disney was also expecting to have a gangbusters new land that everyone would be lining up around the block to visit.

Now... 2 months later... we know those huge crowds have not materialized. There is no need for extra early running of transportation. On top of that, the park is running at normal 9am openings now... no more special extra magic hours. That operational change was scheduled through Nov 2.. and they've not renewed it.

If you wanted to prove your hypothesis that these changes were related to the incident... Then you should show that bus operating hours have not changed, but skyliner did.

And for 'facts' you still haven't provided a cite on what hours they are operating NOW (to show they are not operating to plan). You've only cited the operating hours that websites were posting when the information was originally released.

You need to look at thing as a whole... not just slices you construct to support your hypothesis.

FWIW, I can't find hard references on what the skyliner's regular hours are now.. and you haven't provided them either. Only citing what the hours were released (presumably to travel agents) during opening week.
 
Disone

Disone

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Andrew C said:
I don't remember how long the skyliner was down for after the incident. At least a week?? And when it opened, I really do not recall how long it took them to ramp all lines up to what we would call full operating hours. Maybe someone else has the details. But really, not sure how it matters now. Park hours for DHS are now either 9am or 8am with EMH...seems the skyliner is aligned to this.
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peter11435 said:
Has anything at WDW ever gone 20 consecutive days without an unscheduled downtime?

Maybe the treehouse
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When I was there almost everything at Tokyo Disney went four days with out a down time..... Oh nevermind:)
 
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joelkfla

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Texas84 said:
I can't speak to internal temperature because the weather was nice but there was no noticeable air flow on the way to DHS. All the other legs had a nice breeze.
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Yes, the wind on Monday was primarily from the east, and you were moving east to west between CBR & DHS. When there's a brisk wind moving in the same direction as the cabin, there's not much airflow thru the cabin.
 
Goofyernmost

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VaderTron said:
I can appreciate that you may have had a random occurrence where Disney extended hours beyond what they posted at some past date, but to say that Disney "often" operates on a whim is just not factual. The majority of posted park hours are honored exactly as presented.
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Of course the majority of them are based on posted hours. But that doesn't mean that they won't stay open longer, without advance notice. My point was, like someone else had said, that they won't be starting them running at 5:45am if the parks don't open until 8am. They do have to provide a way to places for early morning ADR's, but that doesn't require a three hour advance to get there. All they have to do is run them or provide transportation to those places. All those places have gotten along since 1971 without a Gondola, why is everyone so concern about it now. It just sound silly and childlike. Or just something else to whine about!
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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joelkfla said:
Yes, the wind on Monday was primarily from the east, and you were moving east to west between CBR & DHS. When there's a brisk wind moving in the same direction as the cabin, there's not much airflow thru the cabin.
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Were the vents open all the way? The breeze is not reliant on the wind. It is dependent on the movement of the Gondola.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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plkkak said:
The breeze is reliant partially on the wind. If the gondola is traveling at the same speed and in the same direction as the wind you will feel very little airflow. This is the concept of ‘apparent wind’ that is relevant for sailors.
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No, because the air is primarily stagnant. It isn't blowing into the Gondola, it is being forced in based on the speed of the Gondola is passing through the air. If the Gondola is traveling at 10 miles per hour then the airflow would be 10 miles an hour. The difference made traveling into or away from the blowing wind would not be that obvious. It is dependent on the speed of the vehicle and the amount that the vents are allowing in.

Sailors are standing out on an open deck and wind speed and direction is pertinent to the movement of the vessel and the direction of the sails. This is an enclosed container traveling at a set speed. The wind isn't much of a factor concerning how much is felt in the cabin.
 
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plkkak

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Goofyernmost said:
No, because the air is primarily stagnant. It isn't blowing into the Gondola, it is being forced in based on the speed of the Gondola is passing through the air. If the Gondola is traveling at 10 miles per hour then the airflow would be 10 miles an hour. The difference made traveling into or away from the blowing wind would not be that obvious. It is dependent on the speed of the vehicle and the amount that the vents are allowing in.
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MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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Goofyernmost said:
No, because the air is primarily stagnant. It isn't blowing into the Gondola, it is being forced in based on the speed of the Gondola is passing through the air. If the Gondola is traveling at 10 miles per hour then the airflow would be 10 miles an hour. The difference made traveling into or away from the blowing wind would not be that obvious. It is dependent on the speed of the vehicle and the amount that the vents are allowing in.
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Yeah, that's totally wrong. Intertial frame of reference and all that.
 
Nunu

Nunu

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MisterPenguin said:
D'ough!
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joelkfla

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Goofyernmost said:
No, because the air is primarily stagnant. It isn't blowing into the Gondola, it is being forced in based on the speed of the Gondola is passing through the air. If the Gondola is traveling at 10 miles per hour then the airflow would be 10 miles an hour. The difference made traveling into or away from the blowing wind would not be that obvious. It is dependent on the speed of the vehicle and the amount that the vents are allowing in.

Sailors are standing out on an open deck and wind speed and direction is pertinent to the movement of the vessel and the direction of the sails. This is an enclosed container traveling at a set speed. The wind isn't much of a factor concerning how much is felt in the cabin.
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My statement was based on personal experience. I have ridden Skyliner end-to-end in both directions several times. The direction of the wind is easily determined by looking at palm trees along the route.

When the wind is blowing strongly from behind, there is very little airflow, and the cabin gets a bit stuffy.

When the wind is blowing from the front, there's a strong breeze thru the cabin.

When the wind is blowing crosswise, IMO most of the airflow seems to come from the floor vents.
 

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