HongKongFooy
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Completely different???
There are differences, of course, but your comment goes too far.
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New Fast Pass System idea
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Completely different???
There are differences, of course, but your comment goes too far.
That’s major difference: Disney World: Hotels. Disneyland comes with just three hotels: the Disneyland Hotel, Disney's Grand Californian Hotel and Spa, and Disney's Paradise Pier Hotel. Meanwhile, Disney World has more than 25 different hotels stretched across its landscape.
Yeah, I’d say that is Completely different. Over 25 hotels with over 150,000 hotel guests Vs 3 hotels with 10,000 hotel guests.
And the context of the conversation was in relation to why advance reservations are needed and different at WDW than DL because of all the on site guests. So 150,000 is completely different than 10,000.
Giss Neric
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You're comparing Great America to Disney but are you also aware the attendance each parks gets? Any fastpass system will work wonders with manageable attendance. When you have Disney level attendance, it's much harder.
In my opinion, Disney California's Max pass is the best there is.
In my opinion, Disney California's Max pass is the best there is.
I don’t even know what Great America is. I’m not comparing that to anything. I’m comparing WDW to DL. Max pass is Not good for the out of state guests which are the bread and butter/moneymaker. Resort guests don’t want to get up at park opening and want assurances they can get on the most popular rides. Disney would be out of business without them. They rely on to them fill their hotels, eat their food, buy their tickets and merch.
Queen of the WDW Scene
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Does no one else find it odd that this thread went from January 9th until today without a post and then exploded due to one poster?
Its not even relevant right now.
Its not even relevant right now.
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Joel
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My new favorite Walt Disney quote.
nickys
Premium Member
Agrees with you on what? I’ve suggested you do a search on all his posts. That thread started things off, there is discussion everywhere including this exchange in this thread:
It may happen, it may not.
I know. Funny old game isn’t it.
mergatroid
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The best system for me was the old paper fastpass machines at the attraction entrance, available on the day. One hour window for each with no overlaps and max 3 held at any time. It rewarded those who made the effort and had a plan of attack. I'd also hazard a guess (and I'm pretty sure it's true) that it meant less fastpass no shows on any given day. There would always be 'no shows' but far less likely if you've made the effort to book in the park on the day, rather than 60 or 30 days in advance with no idea of the weather or other opportunities that may arise.
Jon81uk
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WDW opened in 1971, back then there wasn't any significant advantage to staying on site except for being closer to the parks and getting a nicer more relaxed overall experience in high class lodgings or a campsite.
FastPass started in 1999, it didn't bring any advantage to on-site guests, everyone had the same chance of getting a return time out the machine.
FastPass+ launched in 2013 and offered a benefit to on-site guests of earlier booking.
So out of almost 50 years of operation, FastPass has only offered a benefit to on-site guests for less than seven years.
I think Extra Magic Hours only came about in the late 90s really and there are so many hotels offering them (all the Disney hotels, plus all DVC, plus Swan/Dolphin, plus all the Disney Springs neighbour hotels) it is debatable if the morning hours really give any benefit.
I loved this system too, its still in use in Paris, exactly like you say, you have to be in the park that day to get them. Passes aren't lost to no shows, though the early bird did get the worm, as fastpasses often ran out by early afternoon for popular attractions, but if there was an attraction that you really wanted and had missed out on later in your vacation you plan an early start. It did mean a bit of leg work to go to the attraction to get your pass, and a lot of back and forth across the parks but what park day doesn't.
Jon81uk
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Paris also has an expensive system to pay for FastPass as well, they are definitely moving towards something closer to that of Universal.
Avoiding the back and forth across the parks is what makes MaxPass at Disneyland California so good. Its the same time windows as paper FP but the ability to book them on an app.
Hey , that's my prime cruising time. Stop judging me
Chi84
Premium Member
Our trips to WDW predated the Fastpass system and there were some exceptionally long lines for headliners. When they started legacy Fastpass, I remember being part of the crowd running to SM to get Fastpasses for the family while my husband took the kids to ride Dumbo. If lines were not a problem, the mad dash wouldn't have been necessary.
Eliminating Fastpasses would probably work better for younger people who don't mind standing in line and want to ride as many attractions as possible in a day. But there are plenty of older folks who like reserving experiences in advance and want the assurance that they can get on FOP, SDD or any other relatively new attraction without having to plan their day around when lines will be shortest.
The current system works best for my family and the way we vacation for reasons I posted elsewhere, but I do agree that the recent tiers have made it more difficult. I have no doubt that Disney needs to implement a new system. We'll work with whatever they put in place, but I sincerely hope it's not going to be a system that completely eliminates the ability to reserve rides in advance.
MikeyK72
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Inferring that management is looking favorably upon the stand-by efficiency we currently see without FP+ due to COVID.
JohnD
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On the trip planning forum this one poster was asking if anyone knew what the conditions would be like in April -- you know everything back to "normal" with FP+, no park reservations, all dining experiences open. Of course, no one knew the answer but several, including myself, said you could still go and have a good time. A deal breaker is -- you guessed it -- FP+. Of course, it's not for everybody unless they get everything pre-COVID back. They may be waiting awhile.
Permits can be filed for any number of activities at the site. There is no context to the filed permit other than a generic description. To assume that just because one was filed that they will be taking reservations soon is just plain foolish. (Which is what people who believe Unscrupulous are)
Jon81uk
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As an out of country guest I also loved MaxPass at DL. It still had the restriction that paper FP had that times are allocated first-come (so early arrivals get more chance) which was the biggest down-side, but the ability to request a new return time without running across the park to the attraction was great. Also we bought tickets on the day, no pre-planning needed at all.