New Fantasyland Tokyo/Orlando

[SirLink]

People like to bash WDW for being cheap but the reality is that Tokyo Disneyland need this badly because the park has basically never been upgraded. Fantasyland there is extremely tacky and they still have the old Tomorrowland! The park looks stuck in the 70s even though it was built in the 80s.

Say what you want about MK not being kept up to date, but you can't seriously say Tokyo Disneyland has gotten more capex for upgrades over the years. Also, similar to Orlando, it doesn't look like they are getting a new e-ticket in New Fantasyland. I see a Beasts castle, a big garden thing, an Alice dark ride, relocated Dumbo, and Small World (amongst infrastructure improvements).

Wow you can tell whether or not they are getting an E-ticket from concept rendering from a distance? Gee tell me more ...

 

[BrerJon]

People like to bash WDW for being cheap but the reality is that Tokyo Disneyland need this badly because the park has basically never been upgraded. Fantasyland there is extremely tacky and they still have the old Tomorrowland! The park looks stuck in the 70s even though it was built in the 80s.

But it has the maintenance, cleanliness, value for money and service levels it did in the 80s, which is something WDW has lost. That's more important to the Disney difference than any number of attractions.

Say what you want about MK not being kept up to date, but you can't seriously say Tokyo Disneyland has gotten more capex for upgrades over the years. Also, similar to Orlando, it doesn't look like they are getting a new e-ticket in New Fantasyland. I see a Beasts castle, a big garden thing, an Alice dark ride, relocated Dumbo, and Small World (amongst infrastructure improvements).

It's definitely got the capex for keeping the standards high, unlike WDW, but new attraction building hasn't stagnated either. In the last decade TDL has had Pooh's Hunny Hunt, Monsters Inc and the revised Star Tours, so that's a comparable investment to Magic Kingdom, and then when you consider the best theme park in the world has been built next door in that time too, it's hard to feel sorry for Japan really.

 

[Tim Lohr]

ah yes forgive me the thread which has covered such orlando topics such as the star jets placement and the various improvements going into tdr. Or disney lands toontown and it's Tomorrowland. I am sure this thread isn't a smorgishboard of topics.

HAHA! "smorgishboard of topics" you mean like one of those Spirted threads?

 

[Tim Lohr]

There isn't much of a connection nor do these plans represent hopes for the future.

you must be fun at parties

 

[mahnamahna101]

If I go blue sky on Tokyo Disney's $5 billion investment

TDL - $2 billion

• New Fantasyland: $1 billion

Includes:

1. Through the Looking Glass (E-ticket dark ride... ToT on a motion base track) - 42": $250 million
2. Alice's Curious Labyrinth (clone from DLP): $25 million ($275 million)
3. Cheshire Madness (retheme/expansion of Gadget's Go Coaster): $75 million ($350 million)
4. New version of IASW (upgraded): $125 million ($475 million)
5. Relocate Dumbo: $10 million ($485 million)
6. Gaston's Tavern: $40 million ($525 million)
7. B&TB D-ticket dark ride: $175 million ($700 million)
8. Upgrades to all existing Fantasyland dark rides: $200 million ($900 million)
9. Unknown attraction: $100 million ($1 billion)

• New Tomorrowland: $600 million

Includes:

1. New original Tomorrowland E-ticket: $300 million
2. Buzz Lightyear replacement: $150 million ($450 million)
3. Star Wars flat ride: $30 million ($480 million)
4. Jedi Training Academy: $75 million ($555 million)
5. Mos Eisley Cantina: $45 million ($600 million)

• Miscellaneous Improvements: $400 million

TDS - $2 billion

Glacier Bay - $750 million

1. Frozen E-ticket: $350 million
2. Glacier-themed coaster: $200 million ($550 million)
3. Olaf flat ride: $30 million ($580 million)
4. Snow Cavern walkthrough: $50 million ($630 million)
5. Shopping/dining/etc: $120 million ($750 million)

Mermaid Lagoon - $100 million ($850 million)

1. Little Mermaid dark ride - $100 million

Mediterranean Harbor - $225 million ($1.075 billion)

1. Soarin' through the Ages (time-travel, narrative version) - $225 million

American Waterfront - $200 million ($1.225 million)

1. Gangster-themed wild mouse coasters - $125 million
2. Muppets themed attraction - $75 million

Port Discovery - $350 million ($1.575 billion)

1. Discovery Mountain (E-ticket water ride) - $350 million

Miscellaneous - $425 million ($2 billion)

Plussing of hotels and infrastructure - $1 billion

People like to bash WDW for being cheap but the reality is that Tokyo Disneyland need this badly because the park has basically never been upgraded. Fantasyland there is extremely tacky and they still have the old Tomorrowland! The park looks stuck in the 70s even though it was built in the 80s.

Say what you want about MK not being kept up to date, but you can't seriously say Tokyo Disneyland has gotten more capex for upgrades over the years. Also, similar to Orlando, it doesn't look like they are getting a new e-ticket in New Fantasyland. I see a Beasts castle, a big garden thing, an Alice dark ride, relocated Dumbo, and Small World (amongst infrastructure improvements).

If OLC is smart, they'll do the following:

Revamp Fantasyland and Tomorrowland for TDL
Glacier Bay w/ Frozen E ticket (new port), Mermaid dark ride, Soarin', American Waterfront C/D-ticket, Port Discovery E-ticket for TDS

 

[Tim Lohr]

Wow! Have you seen the redo of the Alice in Wonderland dark ride at DL? The original was cool, but the redo is amazing! I had the privilege of riding it earlier this year and thought that this is what WDW needed! That with DL's version of IASW would go nicely together if ever cloned for WDW! One can dream...

oh yeah I've seen video of it, pretty cool, they're doing that kind of thing to all the DL dark rides right?

and I think if the did do DL's version of IASW for WDW they should group it with Alice and maybe Tinker bell Meet and greet, and have this little "Mary Blair-land" of giant flowers with curly-q leaves

 

[lazyboy97o]

People like to bash WDW for being cheap but the reality is that Tokyo Disneyland need this badly because the park has basically never been upgraded. Fantasyland there is extremely tacky and they still have the old Tomorrowland! The park looks stuck in the 70s even though it was built in the 80s.

Say what you want about MK not being kept up to date, but you can't seriously say Tokyo Disneyland has gotten more capex for upgrades over the years. Also, similar to Orlando, it doesn't look like they are getting a new e-ticket in New Fantasyland. I see a Beasts castle, a big garden thing, an Alice dark ride, relocated Dumbo, and Small World (amongst infrastructure improvements).

Fantasyland is similar to what still exists at the magic Kingdom. Even a good chunk of that Tomorrowland also remain at the Magic Kingdom.

oh yeah I've seen video of it, pretty cool, they're doing that kind of thing to all the DL dark rides right?

and I think if the did do DL's version of IASW for WDW they should group it with Alice and maybe Tinker bell Meet and greet, and have this little "Mary Blair-land" of giant flowers with curly-q leaves

"it's a small world" is presently located next to the Queen of Heart Banquet Hall and is being moved next to Space Mountain. It also already has a facade inspired by the one at Disneyland.

 

[asianway]

Fantasyland is similar to what still exists at the magic Kingdom. Even a good chunk of that Tomorrowland also remain at the Magic Kingdom.


"it's a small world" is presently located next to the Queen of Heart Banquet Hall and is being moved next to Space Mountain. It also already has a facade inspired by the one at Disneyland.

He's delusional, pay attention to his posts he makes stuff up on the fly...

 

[Tim Lohr]

Why they don't just move IASW to another park

The reason they're doing it in Tokyo, and probably should do it in WDW, is more about redistributing the space within the park itself

...basically Disney has a ton of potential ideas for Fantasyland themed attractions, but they don't a lot of space left in current Fantasyland sections of the park. On the other hand they have a lot of empty, or underutilized spaces in Tomorrowland, but don't have a very good track record coming up with "popular" Tomorrowland themed attractions. So what doing in Tokyo is shrinking the Tomorrowland section of the map and expanding the Fantasyland sections so they can add more of the popular Fantasyland themed attractions

This is something I did up, the names aren't important it just the first thing that came to mind, but it's to show the potential of the space in the WDW MK. Like the Tomorrowland Speedway is so big that not only could it hold the IASW building but you could also fit 3 or 4 more attractions in that same space, and the hole left from moving IASW could hold another 3 smaller attractions, ect...

 

[Tim Lohr]

He's delusional, pay attention to his posts he makes stuff up on the fly...

HAHA! am I carzy? or are you clue less? we shall see

 

[jdmdisney99]

The reason they're doing it in Tokyo, and probably should do it in WDW, is more about redistributing the space within the park itself

...basically Disney has a ton of potential ideas for Fantasyland themed attractions, but they don't a lot of space left in current Fantasyland sections of the park. On the other hand they have a lot of empty, or underutilized spaces in Tomorrowland, but don't have a very good track record coming up with "popular" Tomorrowland themed attractions. So what doing in Tokyo is shrinking the Tomorrowland section of the map and expanding the Fantasyland sections so they can add more of the popular Fantasyland themed attractions

This is something I did up, the names aren't important it just the first thing that came to mind, but it's to show the potential of the space in the WDW MK. Like the Tomorrowland Speedway is so big that not only could it hold the IASW building but you could also fit 3 or 4 more attractions in that same space, and the hole left from moving IASW could hold another 3 smaller attractions, ect...

When wishful thinking becomes armchair Imagineering, you should really shift you focus to this forum!

 

[lazyboy97o]

HAHA! am I carzy? or are you clue less? we shall see

You did just make up why "it's a small world" is moving.

 

[MotherOfBirds]

Small World could work in Tomorrowland or Future World. I don't think it would be too difficult to incorporate the groovy, World's Fair vibe that makes CoP make sense in its current location.

 

[twilight mitsuk]

Small World could work in Tomorrowland or Future World. I don't think it would be too difficult to incorporate the groovy, World's Fair vibe that makes CoP make sense in its current location.

To replace what, Imagination and use the current location for a frozen, tangled, ETC. dark ride?

 

[mahnamahna101]

The reason they're doing it in Tokyo, and probably should do it in WDW, is more about redistributing the space within the park itself

...basically Disney has a ton of potential ideas for Fantasyland themed attractions, but they don't a lot of space left in current Fantasyland sections of the park. On the other hand they have a lot of empty, or underutilized spaces in Tomorrowland, but don't have a very good track record coming up with "popular" Tomorrowland themed attractions. So what doing in Tokyo is shrinking the Tomorrowland section of the map and expanding the Fantasyland sections so they can add more of the popular Fantasyland themed attractions

This is something I did up, the names aren't important it just the first thing that came to mind, but it's to show the potential of the space in the WDW MK. Like the Tomorrowland Speedway is so big that not only could it hold the IASW building but you could also fit 3 or 4 more attractions in that same space, and the hole left from moving IASW could hold another 3 smaller attractions, ect...

If Fantasyland and Tomorrowland both got new enhancements in MK:

Current Fantasyland

• New version of IASW relocated to World Showcase - $100 million
• Backstage areas, utilidors and old IASW show buildings torn down/reworked - $25 million
• Mickey's Philharmagic moves to Town Square on Main Street - $30 million
• Mary Poppins takes over old PPF and Philharmagic buildings for D ticket dark ride - $130 million
• Princess Fairytale Hall relocated to new section - $50 million
• C-ticket Sleeping Beauty dark ride takes over old Princess Fairytale Hall - $75 million
• Mad Tea Party and Cheshire Cafe both relocated to new Wonderland section - $40 million
• Pooh's dark ride gets an upgrade/revamp, Hunny Flyers goes where Tea Cups used to be, new Pooh QS restaurant where Cheshire Cafe used to be - $100 million
• Tents in Storybook Circus and Barnstormer are both removed - $15 million
• Casey Jr. Circus Train where Barnstormer used to be - $60 million

Backstage/Future Fantasyland (behind IASW/Mermaid/Storybook Circus)

• Neverland, including E-ticket version of PPF, Pixie Hollow play area and Lost Boys kiddie coaster - $250 million
• Wonderland, including Alice maze, enclosed Mad Tea Party and Queen of Hearts restaurant - $100 million
• Bald Mountain (E-ticket coaster) - $350 million (54")
• Pleasure Island mini-land including Pinocchio D-ticket shoot-the-chutes - $150 million

$1.535 billion to make Fantasyland pitch-perfect

Tomorrowland

• Trackless Time Travel E-ticket dark ride - $300 million (all ages)
• Wreck-it Ralph E-ticket to replace Speedway - $250 million (44" for Hero's Duty, 36" for Sugar Rush )
• Enclosed, expanded Flying Saucers-esque flat ride - $75 million (32")
• GotG replaces Stitch - $65 million (40")
• BH6 replaces Buzz - $130 million (all ages)
• Laugh Floor relocated to DHS - $50 million
• Plectu's Intergalactic Revue replaces Laugh Floor - $50 million (all ages)
• CoP upgrades - $35 million
• Space Mountain revamp/upgrade - $120 million (52" instead of 44"... launch and two inversions have been added)

And Frontierland plus Adventureland, too:

Frontierland

• Western River Expedition D-ticket indoor raft ride - $175 million (all ages)
• Catastrophe Canyon E-ticket freefall meets dark ride hybrid - $250 million (48")
• Golden Horseshoe Revue opens back up - $60 million
• Country Bears update - $40 million
• Big Thunder and Splash revamps/upgrades - $100 million

Adventureland

• Fire Mountain E-ticket family suspended coaster - $250 million (42")
• Indiana Jones Adventure clone - $250 million (46")
• Agrabah mini-land including D-ticket Aladdin dark ride, Carpets relocation and a show - $250 million (all ages)
• POTC and JC upgrades - $100 million

So yeah armchair Imagineering calls for $4-4.5 billion just for MK $15-20 billion for the entire resort lol.

 

[mahnamahna101]

To replace what, Imagination and use the current location for a frozen, tangled, ETC. dark ride?

No, probably one of World Showcase's expansion pads.

I'd say bulldoze IASW's old building and use the space behind it and Mermaid to connect between Frontierland's bottleneck as well as the current Storybook Circus.

 

[MotherOfBirds]

To replace what, Imagination and use the current location for a frozen, tangled, ETC. dark ride?

If SW were to move, I would rather see a ride there that isn't based on an existing franchise.

 

[Tim Lohr]

You did just make up why "it's a small world" is moving.

I'm not saying it's moving, I'm using it to explain the basic theory of "urban renewal". Which is where if you have a slum neighborhood in a big city, and knock down the blight and then build an upscale apartment building in the middle of it, all kinds of businesses, shops, and restaurants, will move in around it to accommodate the people drawn to the upscale apartment building. In Tokyo they seem to have realized that Tomorrowland is a slum, and Small World is an upscale apartment building

 

[Tim Lohr]

If Fantasyland and Tomorrowland both got new enhancements in MK:

Current Fantasyland

• New version of IASW relocated to World Showcase - $100 million
• Backstage areas, utilidors and old IASW show buildings torn down/reworked - $25 million
• Mickey's Philharmagic moves to Town Square on Main Street - $30 million
• Mary Poppins takes over old PPF and Philharmagic buildings for D ticket dark ride - $130 million
• Princess Fairytale Hall relocated to new section - $50 million
• C-ticket Sleeping Beauty dark ride takes over old Princess Fairytale Hall - $75 million
• Mad Tea Party and Cheshire Cafe both relocated to new Wonderland section - $40 million
• Pooh's dark ride gets an upgrade/revamp, Hunny Flyers goes where Tea Cups used to be, new Pooh QS restaurant where Cheshire Cafe used to be - $100 million
• Tents in Storybook Circus and Barnstormer are both removed - $15 million
• Casey Jr. Circus Train where Barnstormer used to be - $60 million

Backstage/Future Fantasyland (behind IASW/Mermaid/Storybook Circus)

• Neverland, including E-ticket version of PPF, Pixie Hollow play area and Lost Boys kiddie coaster - $250 million
• Wonderland, including Alice maze, enclosed Mad Tea Party and Queen of Hearts restaurant - $100 million
• Bald Mountain (E-ticket coaster) - $350 million (54")
• Pleasure Island mini-land including Pinocchio D-ticket shoot-the-chutes - $150 million

$1.535 billion to make Fantasyland pitch-perfect

Tomorrowland

• Trackless Time Travel E-ticket dark ride - $300 million (all ages)
• Wreck-it Ralph E-ticket to replace Speedway - $250 million (44" for Hero's Duty, 36" for Sugar Rush )
• Enclosed, expanded Flying Saucers-esque flat ride - $75 million (32")
• GotG replaces Stitch - $65 million (40")
• BH6 replaces Buzz - $130 million (all ages)
• Laugh Floor relocated to DHS - $50 million
• Plectu's Intergalactic Revue replaces Laugh Floor - $50 million (all ages)
• CoP upgrades - $35 million
• Space Mountain revamp/upgrade - $120 million (52" instead of 44"... launch and two inversions have been added)

And Frontierland plus Adventureland, too:

Frontierland

• Western River Expedition D-ticket indoor raft ride - $175 million (all ages)
• Catastrophe Canyon E-ticket freefall meets dark ride hybrid - $250 million (48")
• Golden Horseshoe Revue opens back up - $60 million
• Country Bears update - $40 million
• Big Thunder and Splash revamps/upgrades - $100 million

Adventureland

• Fire Mountain E-ticket family suspended coaster - $250 million (42")
• Indiana Jones Adventure clone - $250 million (46")
• Agrabah mini-land including D-ticket Aladdin dark ride, Carpets relocation and a show - $250 million (all ages)
• POTC and JC upgrades - $100 million

So yeah armchair Imagineering calls for $4-4.5 billion just for MK $15-20 billion for the entire resort lol.

Thanks, I was wondering just how expensive my little drawing would be, you got it figured out

 

[mahnamahna101]

According to Dpost.jp this expansion plan at tokyo was a joined project with magic kingdoms fantasyland and according to the article the construction was to begin in 2011 and to open in 2013's 30th Celebration. as part of its offerings .

Am I the only one who finds it darkly amusing that OLC planned to have their lavish New Fantasyland finished a year before SDMT opened?

This will all still open by 2017. Maybe TDO needs to take a note off of OLC and Uni Orlando for how to plan construction schedules.