G00fyDad
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I stand corrected. I thought I read somewhere that they just incorporated the old tech with the new tech. Thanks for clearing that up.
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I stand corrected. I thought I read somewhere that they just incorporated the old tech with the new tech. Thanks for clearing that up.
Rob562
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I stand corrected. I thought I read somewhere that they just incorporated the old tech with the new tech. Thanks for clearing that up.
I'll bet that the turnstile's computing end of things is the same, as long as the old and new biometric scanners were self-contained pieces of hardware that did their thing and then output data to the turnstile computers.
The old two-finger scanners had a camera of some sort positioned above the hand, looking down at the two fingers you inserted. That's why it was so big and boxy and obtrusive.
The new one-finger scanner takes a quick look from below at the fingerprint that's pressed against the glass of the scanner.
-Rob
G00fyDad
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They can track you wherever you check in.
powlessfamily4
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What does it matter if it tracks you? It just lets them know what parks your using. More than likley you will get an offer next year that is designed towards your preferences.
The banks lknow how we spend our money, GPS sattelites track our vehicles... Disney knowing which parks I am using is quite alright with me.
The banks lknow how we spend our money, GPS sattelites track our vehicles... Disney knowing which parks I am using is quite alright with me.
G00fyDad
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What does it matter if it tracks you? It just lets them know what parks your using. More than likley you will get an offer next year that is designed towards your preferences.
The banks lknow how we spend our money, GPS sattelites track our vehicles... Disney knowing which parks I am using is quite alright with me.
Amen. However, there are some people that don't like this practice based on nothing more than the idea that they want something to b**** about. Really. These same people that gripe about "big brother" keeping tabs on us would be horrified to know how many times their photo was taken during the day while they were out of their homes, or to know just how many companies track their habits. Disney's RFID doesn't steal your personal information, and a CM working for Disney is not sitting a desk watching your every move. LOL But some people take this wayyyyy beyond normal reasoning and act like Disney is trying to steal their identity or something. Completely irrational. Now, if they were asking for a social security number, drivers license number, or any other personal information then I would have an issue with it too.
janoimagine
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What does it matter if it tracks you? It just lets them know what parks your using. More than likley you will get an offer next year that is designed towards your preferences.
The banks lknow how we spend our money, GPS sattelites track our vehicles... Disney knowing which parks I am using is quite alright with me.
Exactly ... it does not bother me in the least, to me, it is the least invasive of the tech we currently use in our day to day lives.
mhcueball2
Member
Sorry, didn't read through all the posts but thought I would leave my experience.
My wife and I went through last weekend and it seemed to really slow things down. Cast members were confused and could not track the guests on 4-5 scanners on each side.
We had the stickers placed on our tickets right before the security check and both of ours wouldn't scan (blue blinking light). My wife went first and was told to go inside the gates and talk to a CM. Mine also didn't scan, no one told me what to do and I just went continued inside, no questions asked. I went back 5 minutes later to tell the manager I was able to get in with a stroller without scanning my ticket.
With everyone herded into that section, no one could really tell who was where or who scanned their ticket. A one-on-one situation would be much better...but that wouldn't really be an improvement since that's what they have now.
Only benefit I see would be the RFID they add to your ticket so they can track you throughout the entire park.
My wife and I went through last weekend and it seemed to really slow things down. Cast members were confused and could not track the guests on 4-5 scanners on each side.
We had the stickers placed on our tickets right before the security check and both of ours wouldn't scan (blue blinking light). My wife went first and was told to go inside the gates and talk to a CM. Mine also didn't scan, no one told me what to do and I just went continued inside, no questions asked. I went back 5 minutes later to tell the manager I was able to get in with a stroller without scanning my ticket.
With everyone herded into that section, no one could really tell who was where or who scanned their ticket. A one-on-one situation would be much better...but that wouldn't really be an improvement since that's what they have now.
Only benefit I see would be the RFID they add to your ticket so they can track you throughout the entire park.
COProgressFan
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If this is what they implement for all turnstyles it is going to be a chaotic mess at park openings, especially during busy seasons. There is no way they will have enough staff to monitor all crowds of people entering when there is no turnstyle and lane to keep admittance to 1 person per ticket. There will be lots of folks getting in the park without a ticket. And it doesn't appear to save any time since you still have to stop and hold up your ticket to the sensor and use the biometric reader to validate you.
Epcot's RFID entry system goes back behind walls for reworking
http://www.wdwmagic.com/Attractions...stem-goes-back-behind-walls-for-reworking.htm
http://www.wdwmagic.com/Attractions...stem-goes-back-behind-walls-for-reworking.htm
kittybubbles
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When we used this entry on the Wednesday before Thanksgiven, they had two lines. each one going up to the bank of four RF readers. One cast member was at the front of each line where they only allowed one family at a time to go up to the readers, so I guess that was their way of controlling the flow of entry.
Tapping your ticket was faster than feeding it into a turn style as was not needing to wait on someone to open a gate for a stroller. I guess the 'seconds' could add up.
The system has now been completely removed
http://www.wdwmagic.com/Attractions/Epcot/News/10Dec2011-Epcot's-RFID-entry-test-removed.htm
http://www.wdwmagic.com/Attractions/Epcot/News/10Dec2011-Epcot's-RFID-entry-test-removed.htm
G00fyDad
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I hope it is not gone for good. This was truly a nice idea to have in place. Regardless of all of the fear mongoring that took place with people supposedly stealing your identity with the RFID. But this system would be perfect if they just brought back a gate system sort of like the photo below to allow even a stroller to pass through this would allow for the gate to open only for each person to enter with the RFID instead of an open field of guests for CMs to keep an eye on.
But this system would be perfect if they just brought back a gate system sort of like the photo below to allow even a stroller to pass through this would allow for the gate to open only for each person to enter with the RFID instead of an open field of guests for CMs to keep an eye on.
invader
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G00fyDad
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What is the purpose in those? Maybe have a person from time to time scan in at the beginning and then again there to more accurately predict ride wait times?
SyracuseOrange
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It could also be a way to verify that people scanned their tickets to get in the park. In the new system, it seems that a person could slip through without a ticket. But if you also had to scan to enter a ride, that is one way of making sure that people have a ticket in the first place.
Also, it could create a personalized experience if they know that it is YOU on the ride and not me. Lots of potential here.
Pioneer Hall
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I hope it is not gone for good. This was truly a nice idea to have in place. Regardless of all of the fear mongoring that took place with people supposedly stealing your identity with the RFID.
I have a pretty good feeling that the RFID gates are definitely not gone for good. They just determined that whatever stage of the test they were on is now done, and they can use their results to further the application. I would say it is a pretty safe assumption that this technology will find its way out full scale in the future.
That is very likely what those readers are for. There was an announcement made by Disney the other day (that I saw on another site that) that stated that Test Track will be testing some future technology. The long standing rumor is that there would be a personalized element in the attraction and RFID would be a very easy way to relay all the needed information.
RSoxNo1
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We discuss this on our show this week. It seems that scanners at the entrance and exit to a line would allow Disney to represent wait times more accurately than the Red Card system. With a scanner at the beginning adding people to the queue, and a scanner at the end, subtracting people from the queue, it should be easy to determine the # of people in line, divide that by the hourly capacity and then you have a more accurate wait time.
Alektronic
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Correct. The sensors are mainly for the number crunchers. It will give a more accurate number of people entering the ride, people in the queue, wait times, etc. Eventually, all the existing systems will merge into one. Right now, they have people counters, FLIK system (ie Red card on a lanyard) which are RFID cards, and the Fastpass system.
Then they will do trend analysis with more accurate information, which are peak times for the ride, when are the slow periods, average wait times, etc. So if normally between 5 - 6 pm is a slow time because many people are having dinner, then they can issue more fast passes for that time period or if between 3 and 4 are really busy periods then issue less fastpasses to prevent crowding, etc. Then if the trends change, they can also change things also.