You're getting different kinds of RFID confused. With the RFID tags utilized here, if somebody got so close as to be able to read your information with a RFID reader, that individual would most likely be arrested for attempted assault/molestation before they'd ever be able to get to use your park id..lol. :ROFLOL: This technology is no different than what most companies use to lock their doors, where the card basically has to basically touch the reader for it to be read. Nobody's going to get that close to anybody just to steal a disney park ticket!
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You're getting different kinds of RFID confused. With the RFID tags utilized here, if somebody got so close as to be able to read your information with a RFID reader, that individual would most likely be arrested for attempted assault/molestation before they'd ever be able to get to use your park id..lol. :ROFLOL: This technology is no different than what most companies use to lock their doors, where the card basically has to basically touch the reader for it to be read. Nobody's going to get that close to anybody just to steal a disney park ticket!
devoy1701
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Interesting concept. But I'm still wondering how effective it's going to be. We've all seen the turnstyles on busy holiday mornings or anytime around those times of year. They get swarmed with groups of people not knowing what to do/where to go? I could very easily see this taking many more CMs to manage the gates, and increasing the chance of people slipping in without a ticket. At the least it could lead to more altercations/confrontations between CMs and guests:
"Sir, you didn't scan your ticket"
"Yes I most certainly did!"
"Sir, I watched you enter the park without even going near one of the scanners!"
etc, etc.
Will be curious to see how this operates if they're still testing around Thanksgiving. Does anyone have any additional insight though?
"Sir, you didn't scan your ticket"
"Yes I most certainly did!"
"Sir, I watched you enter the park without even going near one of the scanners!"
etc, etc.
Will be curious to see how this operates if they're still testing around Thanksgiving. Does anyone have any additional insight though?
I would suspect that the next level of security for this type of system will be that you have to scan your ticket when you enter an attraction. If you did not scan when you entered the park, it either will not let you in the attraction or it will then "charge" your ticket for that days pass.
SyracuseOrange
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So...they'd have to install these at every attraction and then you have to scan it every time you want to ride?
Don't see that happening.
Sorry. Actually I tried to find out but didn't know who actually took the photos. I would have if I knew.
If Disney is considering installing these types of scanners in their parks to make guest experiences more immersive/interactive, then why would they not spend the additional funds to put one or two of these scanners at the entrance to each attraction to assure that people have gained entrance to the park legally.
devoy1701
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This actually makes sense. And it would be a welcome change to crowd control for EMH and Hard Ticket Parties. Though how do you also keep someone from just blowing by the scanner at the attraction as well? Would you have 2 or 3 gates where people scan and they open quickly. Or is this a system where they just strive to be as observant as possible?
With the available and developing surveillance technology out there, Im sure that it would not take long to track someone not scanning. Also, they could still have the CM present as most attractions still require an integration of fast pass and standby at a focal point prior to entering the attraction.
G00fyDad
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It could also be installed along with a screen that would pop up a personal image/message for the scanned ticket/card/wristband. Something like "Welcome to Space Mountain Kevin!" when I scan in at the entrance.
Take anything to do with that site with a grain of salt. That site does not like crediting others when other's information is posted to their site.
brightlillstar
Member
It already kind of exists. You can't get a fastpass using a ticket that hasn't been scanned into the park that day as it is now. I never thought about it, bt I read a recent TR wherein someone got up early and tried to get FP while the rest of their family was still at the hotel and the FP machines wouldn't take the tickets of the people who had not used them to enter the parks yet. At the very least, the cheaters would already not be able to use FP.
RFID is a pretty ubiquitous technology, so if they moved to wristbands, I don't think it's a big deal to hold the wristband over a small station when entering a ride.
Hopefully though, they'd catch the cheaters at the door. You know Disney has eyes and ears everywhere
OldAndBusted
New Member
Apparently. The tickets that have the chip have a mickey logo with waves on top. But from I understand they can also put a sticker on your ticket and register it if yours doesn't have the chip.
I think this should speed up walk through times.
They could speed up walk through times even more by eliminating those effing fingerprint readers. Unfortunately, these photos show WDW's commitment to time wasting technology.
asianway
Well-Known Member
Actually I can see it pretty clearly. Remember the survey where they asked about am or pm only or entertainment only tickets? I think we have the answer.
G00fyDad
Well-Known Member
I was kind of concerned that the CMs wouldn't be able to see clearly either but it seems that they will as long as they stay focused and watch everyone.
Pioneer Hall
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Let's keep the personal insults out of it please. If you don't like what someone says, ignore it and move on.
dreamfinder
Well-Known Member
Would you rather pull out your gov't issued ID each time you enter the park? Or do you have another way to tag a ticket to a certain guest/group of guests? They have the right to tie a ticket to a guest to prevent resale. And it helps to prevent someone from fraudulently using tickets that YOU paid for. The finger prints are a relatively quick way to do the checking. Without requiring a CM to check every guest, the fingerprint checkers let them do something such as this.
G00fyDad
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They actually not fingerprint scanners. Contrary to popular belief the size and shape of the finger is the only thing that Disney stores in your "package account". They do not collect fingerprint data, and a background check is not happening. 
It is a biometric scanner only. I've seen people on forums flat out swear that Disney is trying to steal their identity. And I've seen people argue at the turnstiles about having to use these devices.
It is a biometric scanner only. I've seen people on forums flat out swear that Disney is trying to steal their identity. And I've seen people argue at the turnstiles about having to use these devices.DisneyCane
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I don't have any direct knowlege but I assume they use some kind of hidden number authentication system that can't be cloned. The way something like this works is that each ticket RFID chip has an ID# (readable by reader) and an authentication number stored. The ticketing/authenticatin system knows the random number associated with the ticket ID#. Upon reading, the system reads the ID# and then sends a random number to the chip and the chip performs and algorithm using the random number and the authentication number. The chip returns the result of the algorithm and the system makes sure the result matches what it should be. This is the type of system cell phones use to prevent cloning.
Rob562
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They actually not fingerprint scanners. Contrary to popular belief the size and shape of the finger is the only thing that Disney stores in your "package account". They do not collect fingerprint data, and a background check is not happening.
While you're correct that the biometric data that Disney collects cannot be used to specifically pinpoint one person, I believe you're incorrect about what the scanner measures.
The *old* finger scanners did indeed measure the size, shape, length, width apart, etc of the two fingers that you inserted into the reader.
The new ones take reading of points on the fingerprint and calculate a number based on it. And because it isn't as accurate as a full fingerprint scan, any number of people can have the exact same calculated number associated with their passes. (I've heard the figure 1 in 100 thrown around) So while it isn't specific enough to link one finger scan precisely to one person (you can't work it in reverse and say "3547648" is Joe Tourist), it's close enough that it's enough of a deterrent for the people selling/sharing tickets illegally.
-Rob