New Disneyland Parking Garage and Transportation Hub

[GiveMeTheMusic]

Without the eastern gateway, and 455 new parking spots not being nearly enough for Galaxy's Edge, will Disney delay plans for a Marvel land in DCA?

The Marvel plans have already been delayed. They were supposed to be announced at the 2015 D23 Expo, and got delayed. Then they were supposed to be announced at 2017 D23 Expo, and got pushed back again. The land design and menu has not been finalized and is still in flux.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Disney should just be allowed to monopolize the surrounding area.

While they're adding parking spaces to the Toy Story lot, which doesn't look anything like the Toy Story series of films, is surrounded by homelessness and prostitution and which guests are frequently redirected to and arrive at after waiting in traffic for an hour or more, maybe they could consider a porta potty?

 

[Curious Constance]

I'm so close to ending things with Bob.

 

[Phroobar]

....Lou Mongello

Now that is a name I haven't heard in a long time. A long time..... I don't think he even exists anymore.

 

[DLR92]

Why should Disney have to cater to the Harbor Blvd restaurants that only survive in the first place by leeching off of Disney? Serious question.

It not Anaheim self interest to only approve of Disney plans and proposal. It about commmunity, not only Disney.

 

[nevol]

While they're adding parking spaces to the Toy Story lot, which doesn't look anything like the Toy Story series of films, is surrounded by homelessness and prostitution and which guests are frequently redirected to and arrive at after waiting in traffic for an hour or more, maybe they could consider a porta potty?

I'm sure there are people who, upon parking at Toy Story lot, seriously consider whether their money would be better spent at Disneyland or on some alternative services.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Like the Titanic museum in Branson...

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Because the City—ostensibly at least—has taken the side of the Harbor business and stalled the project, so Disney can either come to terms with Anaheim or wait for the next election and hope for a friendlier council.

Or present a better plan based on the recommendations presented at the hearing.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Did anyone really like Disney's plan as it was presented in that crude animatic a while back? It didn't even look official, but then neither did the concept art for the new POTC redhead scene. What I don't understand is they could create a TTC hub over on the other side. There's plenty of room to expand the parking garage and property they own on that side that isn't being utilized well at all.They could have futuristic people movers transporting everyone to the parks. Instead, it remains the worst setup ever for entering Disney theme parks.

 

[nevol]

Did anyone really like Disney's plan as it was presented in that crude animatic a while back? It didn't even look official, but then neither did the concept art for the new POTC redhead scene. What I don't understand is they could create a TTC hub over on the other side. There's plenty of room to expand the parking garage and property they own on that side that isn't being utilized well at all.They could have futuristic people movers transporting everyone to the parks. Instead, it remains the worst setup ever for entering Disney theme parks.

I didn't love it but it at least looked legitimate, in terms of the security gateway. Nothing could ever be worse than what is there now, the harbor entrance that takes people from the worst Las Vegas has to offer into a narrow walkway alongside a bus depot. It is barely acceptable as backstage, yet it is used by park guests.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I didn't love it but it at least looked legitimate, in terms of the security gateway. Nothing could ever be worse than what is there now, the harbor entrance that takes people from the worst Las Vegas has to offer into a narrow walkway alongside a bus depot. It is barely acceptable as backstage, yet it is used by park guests.

Agreed, but the pedestian flow Disney proposed, which was the biggest point of contention with the local merchants and the City, was terrible. If forcing Disney back to the drawing board results a better plan, one that's truly worthy of an urban Disney resort and the community it sits in, then I'll support it.

 

[Franklin47disneyguy]

Still hoping disney just buys the whole harbor blvd block

 

[Phroobar]

Still hoping disney just buys the whole harbor blvd block

If they bought the entire block, where would you get your food poisoning?

 

[TROR]

If they bought the entire block, where would you get your food poisoning?

Pizza Port.

 

[Macro]

Did anyone really like Disney's plan as it was presented in that crude animatic a while back?

Speaking as someone who drives up from San Diego, that plan was great. For everyone else, that's another matter.

As it stands right now if we follow the signs then we end up driving over surface streets through seemingly endless signals to eventually land at Toy Story. Then you hope your bladder holds out until you get to DL. Or maybe that last part's just me. And if the bus line is really long (which definitely happens) then you're looking at quite a hike to walk to the park entrance. Not to mention the huge intersections you have to cross. It takes me about 15 minutes.

Or alternately you can do what I usually do and get onto Ball Rd. and hang a left and pray Mickey and Friends is open at the time. But that's a gamble. At least it has a bathroom. And the walk to the park is way shorter if the tram line is long.

The new plan would have us use the large north off-ramp they built years ago and drive through only a few signals to the entrance of the east parking garage. From there it's a short walk to the entrance of the park. I gave up on the trams years ago because it's almost always quicker to walk back and forth to the park. The new walk will be would have been shorter and over an actual bridge rather than having to cross an intersection.

For us, (and I know that's not everyone) that original plan is about as good as it gets. I wish they'd done it years ago. Splitting the north and south bound traffic between two separate parking garages with a minimum usage of surface streets would be a very good thing. Best plan ever. For us coming up from the south, anyway.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Still hoping disney just buys the whole harbor blvd block

That won't happen unless the whole block goes up for sale.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Speaking as someone who drives up from San Diego, that plan was great. For everyone else, that's another matter.

As it stands right now if we follow the signs then we end up driving over surface streets through seemingly endless signals to eventually land at Toy Story. Then you hope your bladder holds out until you get to DL. Or maybe that last part's just me. And if the bus line is really long (which definitely happens) then you're looking at quite a hike to walk to the park entrance. Not to mention the huge intersections you have to cross. It takes me about 15 minutes.

Or alternately you can do what I usually do and get onto Ball Rd. and hang a left and pray Mickey and Friends is open at the time. But that's a gamble. At least it has a bathroom. And the walk to the park is way shorter if the tram line is long.

The new plan would have us use the large north off-ramp they built years ago and drive through only a few signals to the entrance of the east parking garage. From there it's a short walk to the entrance of the park. I gave up on the trams years ago because it's almost always quicker to walk back and forth to the park. The new walk will be would have been shorter and over an actual bridge rather than having to cross an intersection.

For us, (and I know that's not everyone) that original plan is about as good as it gets. I wish they'd done it years ago. Splitting the north and south bound traffic between two separate parking garages with a minimum usage of surface streets would be a very good thing. Best plan ever. For us coming up from the south, anyway. And I'd assume it would take quite a bit of the load off of Mickey

Yup, it was a pretty sweet scheme for those arriving to DLR by car.

 

[Ismael Flores]

That all makes sense. We're almost always at the back end of the property. If they had built the bridge, would the bridge let out right at the end of the Harbor hotel properties, or further back?

With the proposal that Disney had suggested to allow the hotels to add a secured portal at the back side of the properties you would have walked straight out into the eastern gateway and then just gone thru security and over the bridge.

instead of fighting the hords of guests trying to stay from falling out into the street while waiting on a four foot sidewalk to cross.

Supposedly that is why The past council and the city fire department were excited about the design. It would have lowered the risk factor of guests blocking street vehicles. Right now when crowds are high the guests pile up on the sidewalks with strollers, children and ada vehicles and then wait for the cross light. The crowds get so big that some wait on street. Once the signal turns green to cross there are so many guests that it is impossible to stay within the cross area. Guests start crossing from any point of the sidewalk they are on and sometimes cut between stopped cars.
Worst thing is when light turns green for cars and there are still hords of guests still on street causing cars to back up and ventilation creating gridlocks.

The whole resortvarea desperately needs crowd control like what Disney and past city council had. Reviewed even if it meant removing some crosswalks and adding bridges along Katella and harbor connections. There has been many near misses of guests almost being hit. As the crowds grow with the bigger convention center and bigger theme park entertainment it is just a matter of their being an accident.

Let's add to that the instability of crazy people out there that want to cause harm. How easy would it be for someone to target dozens of families crossing the streets and sidewalks by speeding a car thru one of the most recognizable tourist locations in the world.

 

[lazyboy97o]

With the proposal that Disney had suggested to allow the hotels to add a secured portal at the back side of the properties you would have walked straight out into the eastern gateway and then just gone thru security and over the bridge.

instead of fighting the hords of guests trying to stay from falling out into the street while waiting on a four foot sidewalk to cross.

Supposedly that is why The past council and the city fire department were excited about the design. It would have lowered the risk factor of guests blocking street vehicles. Right now when crowds are high the guests pile up on the sidewalks with strollers, children and ada vehicles and then wait for the cross light. The crowds get so big that some wait on street. Once the signal turns green to cross there are so many guests that it is impossible to stay within the cross area. Guests start crossing from any point of the sidewalk they are on and sometimes cut between stopped cars.
Worst thing is when light turns green for cars and there are still hords of guests still on street causing cars to back up and ventilation creating gridlocks.

The whole resortvarea desperately needs crowd control like what Disney and past city council had. Reviewed even if it meant removing some crosswalks and adding bridges along Katella and harbor connections. There has been many near misses of guests almost being hit. As the crowds grow with the bigger convention center and bigger theme park entertainment it is just a matter of their being an accident.

Let's add to that the instability of crazy people out there that want to cause harm. How easy would it be for someone to target dozens of families crossing the streets and sidewalks by speeding a car thru one of the most recognizable tourist locations in the world.

The Anaheim Resort District is an urban place and it should embrace urbanism, not continue to act like a sprawling suburb by pushing people away in favor of cars. There are plenty of design concepts that can improve streets for pedestrians and vehicles.

 

[nevol]

The Anaheim Resort District is an urban place and it should embrace urbanism, not continue to act like a sprawling suburb by pushing people away in favor of cars. There are plenty of design concepts that can improve streets for pedestrians and vehicles.

They have no obligation to make their resort feel urban; it is unavoidably urban and surrounded by Anaheim. The eastern gateway wont change that. people will still be exiting the 5 into anaheim, getting into a parking garage or our of one to enter a security gateway framed on all sides by motels. Literally as you enter Disneyland Resort, rather than being surrounded by disneyland, you'd now be in the back alley of motels. The very fact that DLR is located in this dense commercial area, an area that it drives much of the traffic for, is also the reason that it is difficult to embrace that urbanism/urban design. Heading north on harbor from the convention center, the entire walk on your lefthand side, save for 2 motels, is DCA. There can be no commercial rhythm over there to create walkability. The businesses on the other side are dense, yes, but do they create a street wall with setbacks? No. There is no way with Disneyland there that they can create an immersive street scale a la main street or Michigan Avenue in Chicago, as a real-world example.