New Disneyland Parking Garage and Transportation Hub

[Darkbeer1]

Latest Anaheim Planning requests have a request for a 6 story tower with 200 rooms and banquet facilitates on the site of the current Quality Inn (Former Penny Sleeper). Not a surprise, as it will become the closest non-Disney Walking Hotel/Motel to the parks when the project is finished.

But the more important, issue, changes to the Disney request have been made, and it was formally re-submitted on November 15th.

The Quality Inn request is going to be very helpful in regards to the overall project, as their current street right-a-way makes Manchester become more narrow. Si the city can get the owners to give up that right in exchange for project approval.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Would be interesting to see what the new tower for Quality Inn would look like. Would it be an addition of what they have or would they reconfigure the layout of the hotel and remove the aging structures allowing for the tower to be built further back and opening up the area near the road for widening

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Since when is 6 stories a tower?

 

[Ismael Flores]

Since when is 6 stories a tower?

I just realized i put tower but in theory a tower can be less than 6 stories. A structure just has to be taller than wider to be considered a tower

 

[Darkbeer1]

Based on the size of the lot, it would have to be a replacement, probably with underground parking to meet the city building codes. And it can't be taller than 6 stories due to Disneyland Resort requirements, which is based on how close the project is to Disneyland.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Disneyland has at least a bit of 'input' or 'mention' in quite a wide area. I have a friend who works at Extron over on Ball >1mi East of the 5. When they were building their new 6 story building, Disney complained about it.

 

[TP2000]

Disneyland has at least a bit of 'input' or 'mention' in quite a wide area. I have a friend who works at Extron over on Ball >1mi East of the 5. When they were building their new 6 story building, Disney complained about it.

They only complained because Disney execs wanted comped valet parking and a free appetizer for every visit to The Ranch on the ground floor of the Extron building.

 

[britain]

Since when is 6 stories a tower?

Since 1850.

 

[NobodyElse]

They only complained because Disney execs wanted comped valet parking and a free appetizer for every visit to The Ranch on the ground floor of the Extron building.

And they were probably still bitter about Michael Jordan leaving Napa Rose for The Ranch. (He has since gone on to Kendall-Jackson.)

 

[Darkbeer1]

http://www.anaheim.net/DocumentCenter/Home/View/2531

>>8.4.2 Building Height In the C-R Zone, the maximum height permitted throughout the zone is 6 stories and/or seventy-five (75) feet. Development projects that propose buildings taller than seventy-five feet are required to apply for conditional use permits. In addition, the City has adopted the Anaheim Commercial Recreation Area Maximum Permitted Structural Height Map (referenced in Chapter 18.40.080, formerly 18.04.035) that defines the maximum height that any building in The Anaheim Resort may achieve through the conditional use permit process.<<

 

[Deleted member 107043]

http://www.anaheim.net/DocumentCenter/Home/View/2531

>>8.4.2 Building Height In the C-R Zone, the maximum height permitted throughout the zone is 6 stories and/or seventy-five (75) feet. Development projects that propose buildings taller than seventy-five feet are required to apply for conditional use permits. In addition, the City has adopted the Anaheim Commercial Recreation Area Maximum Permitted Structural Height Map (referenced in Chapter 18.40.080, formerly 18.04.035) that defines the maximum height that any building in The Anaheim Resort may achieve through the conditional use permit process.<<

TL/DR, but I wonder what the reasoning is behind keeping building profiles, and therefore density, so low in the Anaheim Resort District. I assume some of the zoning restrictions, including the 75 feet height limit, were enacted on the count of pressure from Disney lobbyists.

 

[Darkbeer1]

The "Disney Cone" was something the city passed decades ago, and yes, Disney had a part in it.

Basically it has to do with keeping the Hotels from being seen from inside the original Disneyland berm. Even Disney had to follow the rules when they built Tower of Terror. But the farther away you are, the higher you can go.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/disneyland-695286-disney-height.html

 

[flynnibus]

TL/DR, but I wonder what the reasoning is behind keeping building profiles, and therefore density, so low in the Anaheim Resort District

Because it's the resort district... which is focused around what and was created for what? Hint.. starts with a D.. The encroachment of the external area on Disney has been a problem for decades. Why is it surprising that limiting building height is part of the effort to control that?

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Why is it surprising that limiting building height is part of the effort to control that?

Who's surprised? I was simply wondering if my hunch that Disney drove that piece of the zoning regulation was true. Not everyone lives and breaths Disneyland all day, therefore I have limited firsthand knowledge of how much involvement Disney had in drafting the Anaheim Resort District zoning laws. Darkbeer's link in post #615 answered my question.

 

[Old Mouseketeer]

The "Disney Cone" was something the city passed decades ago, and yes, Disney had a part in it.

Basically it has to do with keeping the Hotels from being seen from inside the original Disneyland berm. Even Disney had to follow the rules when they built Tower of Terror. But the farther away you are, the higher you can go.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/disneyland-695286-disney-height.html

I saw the earliest iteration of this while visiting the Disney Archive Depository at the Anaheim Public Library in the early 1970s. This is where I met future Imagineer David Mumford when we were still in high school. There was documentation of Disney's opposition to a hotel tower for Sheraton where the former Sheraton castle hotel exists North of Ball Road. In the file were black and white pre-photoshop pictures of how the hotel tower would be visible in Frontierland and Fantasyland. It was crude, but effective. But also hypocritical considering how my friend, David Mumford, described the WDW Swan and Dolphin as "the hotels that ate EPCOT". (Thank you Michael Eisner.)

 

[Darkbeer1]

OK, today's edition of the Anaheim Bulletin (a weekly newspaper published by the OC Register) has a very good article today, alas, I can't find the online version, so I will need to touch on the points made in the article in my own words. FYI, the Anaheim Bulletin can be found throughout Anaheim at racks near stores, etc. Free, just grab one. (It is the paper of record for Legal Notices).

So the article is titled "Disney to Present Eastern Gateway Plans" by Joseph Pimentel.

First main point, the actual Planning Committee hearing on the project will be held Monday at 5 PM at City Hall, and is open to the public. (And I am working on my schedule, so hopefully I will attend).

Projected ending date is sometime in 2018

A second hearing will be held by the Planning Committee on January 23rd. (subject to change)

The project is requesting several conditional use permits for the eastern side of Harbor area and the actual bridge (but nothing about the west side of Harbor, due to the fact Disney doesn't need zoning approval for the property it already owns.

The city council will need to address the Pedestrian Bridge and changes to the Disney Way exit from I-5 southbound.

The pedestrian walkway from Disney Way to the Security check is 620 feet long.

The Bridge will be 15 feet, 65 feet wide wide,and 174 feet long.

Pummba will have 6,901 parking spaces.

The security check area will be 290.000 square feet in size.

So that is the summary. The article talks about the Harbor Blvd owners and not being happy with Disney in regards to details about the project, and Disney has stated they have have held multiple meetings with the owners... (aka He said, she said).

Also they had a nice piece of artwork of the proposed bridge.

So we shall know more in the next few days, as I presume the Business owners will start leaking what they have learned....

 

[NobodyElse]

OK, today's edition of the Anaheim Bulletin (a weekly newspaper published by the OC Register) has a very good article today, alas, I can't find the online version, so I will need to touch on the points made in the article in my own words.

See if THIS LINK works for you guys.

 

[NobodyElse]

Oh, and here's that rendering of the new bridge:

 

[TP2000]

Oh, and here's that rendering of the new bridge:

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That photo is great!

But they forgot to add in the really smelly homeless guys begging for change with cardboard signs, the old guy charging five bucks to take a picture of you holding his parrot, the semi-talented saxophonist playing jazzy Disney numbers, the crazed bag lady I once passed in front of IHOP cussing out the shrubbery, a couple guys holding Jesus Saves signs, and the silently-glaring lady standing next to the 15 foot long banner decrying Communist-sanctioned human organ harvesting in China.

But then, those folks won't be allowed to set up camp up on Disney's new skybridge. Which is probably the point.

Bring on the Eastern Gateway!

 

[Californian Elitist]

I've also seen that saxophonist! He's decent, but that's it.

The drawing looks nice.