GiveMeTheMusic
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LOL - how much did they pay for that one?
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New Disneyland Parking Garage and Transportation Hub
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LOL - how much did they pay for that one?
TP2000
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It's the most mainstream of the mainstream media in the 21st century; USA Today. Of course it's wrong and fraudulent.
NobodyElse
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Being USA Today, it really should have featured an info-graphic. Perhaps a pie chart or bar graph showing the percentage or relevant level of "Bestness".
(To be fair, they say our beloved "GardenWalk is a regional destination in the making." That might be true, though statistically some of us may never find out.)
To take the heat off of their AGW description, let's look at their representative photo of Westfield Mainplace Santa Ana.
That's the intersection of 4th and Main Street, conveniently located about two miles from the actual mall. That's some quality journalism.
At the end of this unattributed "piece", there's a "Start the discussion" box. I just can't start...
(To be fair, they say our beloved "GardenWalk is a regional destination in the making." That might be true, though statistically some of us may never find out.)
To take the heat off of their AGW description, let's look at their representative photo of Westfield Mainplace Santa Ana.
That's the intersection of 4th and Main Street, conveniently located about two miles from the actual mall. That's some quality journalism.
At the end of this unattributed "piece", there's a "Start the discussion" box. I just can't start...
Old Mouseketeer
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Where would you even start? "The Fail is strong in this one"?Being USA Today, it really should have featured an info-graphic. Perhaps a pie chart or bar graph showing the percentage or relevant level of "Bestness".
(To be fair, they say our beloved "GardenWalk is a regional destination in the making." That might be true, though statistically some of us may never find out.)
To take the heat off of their AGW description, let's look at their representative photo of Westfield Mainplace Santa Ana.
That's the intersection of 4th and Main Street, conveniently located about two miles from the actual mall. That's some quality journalism.
At the end of this unattributed "piece", there's a "Start the discussion" box. I just can't start...
Ismael Flores
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Thanks for the update. I saw that LT Platinum Center story this morning. I know that spot at St. College/Orangewood has been earmarked for this project for a while, but part of me wishes they could have situated it somewhere roughly between the stadium and ARTIC. Working out a land swap, I would have liked to see them use the green section instead of the blue section in the picture below. (Ideally, they would incorporate the Grove theater.)
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Oh well. We should start some sort of pool where people can predict who will reach 90% occupancy first, and when - them or AGW.
I agree it would have made more sense to have designed it to fit in the green area. The location would be more centralized and closer to the transportation hub that is served by Metrolink and buses. Perfect place to start developing a tourist stop and destination within walking distance.
I guess the only question would be access for cars but a parkings structure with direct access to the nearby freeway would have worked well
Ismael Flores
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Just want to say that I'm really enjoying reading the forums on this site. Thanks to everyone and especially darkbeer for bringing the excitement of reading about Disney and neighboring projects without the constant negativity.
Darkbeer1
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I prefer the realistic viewpoint, and I do have a vested interest in this project, since I live about 3 miles away from the DLR, so I want to see the traffic improvements. But I also want to keep the tourists happy (and of course, safe), and have them support local businesses (aka spend their money). I am not looking at the projects from a "Disney" viewpoint, either as the company making money, or a "Disney" fan that tends to have a narrow viewpoint of not wanting changes made.
Changes will happen, this major project will create winners and losers, that is just life in general.
And also, some folks don't want to know how the sausage is made. And this project has a long history that goes back to the Westcot days, when I was more involved in covering Disneyland and other Theme Parks, so I know the backstories.
Even 2016 wasn't the "introduction" of this current project, you can go back to maybe 2012-2013 when the current behind the scenes political stuff started between Disney and the City. Disney just didn't decide to buy the Carousel in 2015. it was pricing out different options, which really means which Harbor Blvd property would be willing to sell, and at what price point and how it would work with the expansion. Same with the property purchase on Manchester/Clementine.
And the surprises, I think everyone knew that changes were coming when specific groups pushed for District elections, basically using court rulings to get their way (lets just say pro-union even though that is only one part of the group), so no new surprise there, and has been in the works for the last few years. But the referendum on the Wincome projects wasn't expected, and caused a shift in attitudes, at least in the short term.
But everyone knew that some type of surprises were coming, it just part of the process.
So here we are today in a wait and see mode until at least we know the election results, and what the council's make up (Pro-business to pro-union to be simple) and does something have to happen before the new council is sworn in, and at what price, if the pro-business ends up with 4 or more votes, then there is no rush, if not, then the scramble will be on to see what can get approved before January.
But we also know that you can't trust what Disney PR and Marketing says, such as they had no specific plans for the Carousel, and that the big empty space on the plans where the current Transportation Hub is, Disney has no idea what they will be doing there... Well, they might have not decided one what Specific plan to choose, but there were many options looked at and explored, and a few favorites are at the top of the pile waiting to see when the area will be available for improvement, and what the budget will be at that time. though we know that there is some money in the bank due to the Tax avoidance deal Disney made with the city in regards to the admission tax.
So it is a very interesting puzzle, and some pieces are interchangeable, some aren't.... Only time will tell.
NobodyElse
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Access to and from the "Green Area" would likely be via Stadium Crossing or Douglas (both from Katella), and of course pedestrians would have direct access from the train platform. If they were worried about land use, and had the extra funding, they could put parking under the whole area. Since Douglas drops down below the RR tracks anyway, they could have cars enter directly into the proper level by veering right before the stadium toll booths (perhaps partially under the freeway).
These are all merely moot musings at this point, but sometimes it's a good mental exercise to consider alternatives to plans and projects.
Darkbeer1
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The green area is officially part of the Angel Stadium parking lot, and the team (Arte Moreno) has a long term lease on it. Remember, there has been a fight internally over the last few months, and the current LT Platinum is a compromise that keeps the project off Angel Stadium property. Now, as part of new deal with the Angels for an extension of the stadium lease, the team could opt to build its own project in that corner, which they have stated they want to do to help offset other costs.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/la-sp-angels-anaheim-stadium-20160822-snap-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/la-sp-angels-anaheim-stadium-20160822-snap-story.html
NobodyElse
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Ya, that's why I mentioned a hypothetical "land swap".
The Angels org seems to be talking out of both sides of their mouth.
"...Angels attorney Allan Abshez wrote that the project would “cannibalize the Angels’ existing food, beverage and retail operations at Angel Stadium” "
"Angels Chairman Dennis Kuhl told the planning commission that the project approved Monday “irreparably harms” the stadium and the team and would be an impediment to further development for a decade “at a minimum.” "
Translation: This project might cut into some of our profits, but if we had been able to pull it off first, that'd be cool. As Aztec Camera said back in 1984, "All I Need Is Everything".
MoonRakerSCM
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Worst hotdogs I've ever eaten were at Angel Stadium. Had em once, horrible, gave em another chance the following year, same. I'll gladly dish out obscene money for some food... even sub-par food... but their dogs are absolutely hideous. Give me a "Farmer John Hot Dog" *Vin Scully* any day... never had bad dogs at Chavez Ravine or some of the local minor league stadiums.
NobodyElse
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FYI, I snuck by yesterday. The door in the wall was open, and active work was going on in the Grasslands site.
But, back across the courtyard, across from the (former?) McFadden's, under HOB we find this (indicating that Grasslands may someday be a real thing):
TP2000
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House of Blues has announced it will now open in March, 2017. (Originally it was "Summer 2016", then that was pushed back to "November, 2016") http://www.ocregister.com/articles/house-733818-blues-anaheim.html
Some new renderings of the interiors are now available. It's a big space, where those 12 movie theaters once were.
Some new renderings of the interiors are now available. It's a big space, where those 12 movie theaters once were.
GiveMeTheMusic
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House of Blues has announced it will now open in March, 2017. (Originally it was "Summer 2016", then that was pushed back to "November, 2016") http://www.ocregister.com/articles/house-733818-blues-anaheim.html
Some new renderings of the interiors are now available. It's a big space, where those 12 movie theaters once were.
To say that the House of Blues aesthetic doesn't jibe with my own is an understatement.
TP2000
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Couldn't agree more. It still seems stuck in the grungy 1990's. I was living in Boston when the first one opened in Cambridge Square in 1992, and it fit the tenor of the times then. It just looks dated and kind of dirty now.
GiveMeTheMusic
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It's really bad. But good for them for struggling along
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House of Blues has announced it will now open in March, 2017. (Originally it was "Summer 2016", then that was pushed back to "November, 2016") http://www.ocregister.com/articles/house-733818-blues-anaheim.html
Some new renderings of the interiors are now available. It's a big space, where those 12 movie theaters once were.
Glad to hear that it's actually happening, and it looks like a pretty nice venue to see a show. I consider a live music hall like this one a big gift to both tourists and locals in Anaheim's dull nightlife scene outside of DLR. Let's hope that this marks a turnaround for AGW.
To be fair it looks a million times better than than AGW's overall bland aesthetic.
GiveMeTheMusic
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To be fair it looks a million times better than than AGW's overall aesthetic.
They're a match made in heaven for sure
Darkbeer1
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FYI, AGW already has a popular Night Club.
http://heatoc.com/
The club has caused backups on the street to access the AGW parking late in the evenings, so truly popular, but more known to locals than visitors.
http://heatoc.com/
The club has caused backups on the street to access the AGW parking late in the evenings, so truly popular, but more known to locals than visitors.
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Just looked it up on Yelp and the reviews range from average to awful. Apparently one of the reasons it gets so crowded is because it's tiny and they occasionally have big headliners like Snoop Dogg.