So I wouldn’t think that is Disney being discriminatory, it is just people who used to qualify trying to see if they can still qualify regardless of what the website now says.
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New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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Chi84
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They are definitely discriminating (as in differentiating) between developmental disabilities and others by intending to extend the DAS program only to the former.
I’m not saying it’s illegal or unreasonable. But they intend the program to be for people with developmental disabilities and not physical ones. They’re being very clear about it. It’s their program and they have a right to extend it as they see fit.
What happens in actual practice may be different, but that doesn’t mean it’s in accordance with Disney’s stated intent.
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Disstevefan1
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Chi84
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Yes, but not to be a poor communicator. They wanted to say “due to a developmental disability like autism” first, before people read “are unable to wait in a conventional queue for an extended period of time.”
jaklgreen
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That is all that I am saying, the an IEP should never be uses as any kind of proof of disability.
jaklgreen
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No, I said that every kid that has an IEP has a disability in the way that you are referring. Many just need extra help learning, but are not affected in their day to day life.
The website does not make it sound like Disney doesn’t want non developmentally disabled people there. You are just making stuff up now. They state on the website that there are different types of accommodations for different needs. DAS is just one type of accommodation and meant for a select group of people. That does not mean other disabled people are left with nothing and Disney doesn’t want them. Stop just making up random stuff because you are upset.
jaklgreen
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It clearly says that DAS is intended for those with autism or similar disabilities. To people that are not familiar with the parks, like everyone here is, it absolutely sounds like Disney will not accommodate anyone else. Join a few Disney planning groups other than this one and look at the questions people ask. Read the last several posts here talking about it. That is exactly what people are discussing, how poorly written the website is, making it sound as if Disney is only accommodating autism or similar. I am not upset, I just need people to stop twisting what is being said just because you want to disagree.
Chi84
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Disney is still offering accommodations, but they are not giving DAS to as many people as they did previously.
nickys
Premium Member
On the main disability page there are sections for several types of disability.
The section I quoted listed the different types of accommodations available.
It does say that DAS is offered to those who cannot tolerate waiting in line, such as those with autism.
However it also says you can video call to find out about accommodations for your disability.
DAS is just one type of accommodations offered, and nowhere does it say it’s the only option.
I can understand that those who used to get DAS could be going direct to the DAS page (which I can’t see), reading it and ending there. If they read the main Disabilities page they would see the range of accommodations and that they can call to discuss them.
This 100%. The main disability page lists other options as well. It’s only people who were used to having DAS that are going straight to that page. Start at the main disability page and there is more information. People are just choosing to be mad and only see what they want to see.
Yes that is what DAS is intended for. However, there is a whole page before that on disabilities in general. People who don’t even know about DAS wouldn’t go straight to the DAS page.
Read the very first sentence of the page https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/guests-with-disabilities/
“Disney is dedicated to providing a great experience for all Guests, including those with disabilities, which is why we are so committed to delivering a wide range of innovative support services aimed at helping our Guests with disabilities have a wonderful time when visiting our theme parks”
You are picking and choosing what you want to fit your narrative.
Disstevefan1
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To me, (and only me apparently), it’s not the order, it’s the comma.
Here is Disney’s text:
“Guests who, due to a developmental disability like autism or similar disorder, are unable to wait in a conventional queue for an extended period of time”
I (incorrectly) interpret the comma as listing reasons one could use DAS:
- Guests who, due to a developmental disability like autism or similar disorder.
- Guests who are unable to wait in a conventional queue for an extended period of time.
Chi84
Premium Member
I agree with everyone saying that Disney Is offering a range of accommodations to fit different disabilities, but people are going to be upset by losing access to a line-skip (not wait skip) service. This type of experience is so desirable that Disney is selling people a service that allows them to wait elsewhere instead of standing in line.
I know I’m being repetitive but Disney wants to reserve the LLs for people who are paying for them, which includes both disabled and non disabled people. Before they started charging, they were willing to give a greater disability accommodation than was absolutely necessary. But in order to charge for the LLs, they had to make sure they had enough value for paying customers. So disabled persons who are able to be accommodated in lines will not be getting DAS.
If it is possible for a disabled person to be accommodated in line but the person finds the accommodation difficult or uncomfortable, they do have access to the LLs through the paid system. The ADA does not require accommodations to be completely without difficulty or discomfort. It is far more concerned about businesses providing access.
I know I’m being repetitive but Disney wants to reserve the LLs for people who are paying for them, which includes both disabled and non disabled people. Before they started charging, they were willing to give a greater disability accommodation than was absolutely necessary. But in order to charge for the LLs, they had to make sure they had enough value for paying customers. So disabled persons who are able to be accommodated in lines will not be getting DAS.
If it is possible for a disabled person to be accommodated in line but the person finds the accommodation difficult or uncomfortable, they do have access to the LLs through the paid system. The ADA does not require accommodations to be completely without difficulty or discomfort. It is far more concerned about businesses providing access.
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Wouldn’t we be right back in the same place then? All the overuse clogging up the LLs? It would be just like having DAS but having to walk to the ride instead of selecting it in the app. Or are you assuming those people would only use it if their need arises, not for every ride?
Splash4eva
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All im saying this and im not saying everyone before i get attacked. People who have IBS DONT have to go to bathroom 24/7. Those who suffer from Anxiety. DONT suffer 24/7. Im sure you get my point. So all im saying is Disney decided to give people carte blanche with those Valid reasons now what they need to do is this. Okay its still valid but ONLY for when you need it and ONLY you can leave line or have 1 other with you and then rejoin the line at a certain point whether it be at a merge or another entry point wherever its not overly difficult on a good amount of rides to make this happen.
That is assuming people won’t get greedy and will only use it when they NEED to. Personally I’ve seen many people state that they need DAS because it MIGHT happen at any time, so I don’t think people would use it sparingly if allowed RTQ, they would use it at every ride just in case.
But on the same theory. People with sun issues I think should be able to get a RTQ on rides with lots of outdoor queues in the sun…. That would be only for those rides though.
Splash4eva
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And again jf they are greedy they NO longer can be greedy with their entire group. They NO longer can “book” a ride via an app they need to walk to an attraction get in line then decide to walk out which again is fine but they no longer have that luxury of using an app to do so. Sun issues are yet another great example. Anyone with that issue okay great we can put them to a point in line for the rides that are outside.
Oh I thought you were saying they would just go to the CM at the ride and get a return time, not even enter the line at all. Maybe I’m misunderstanding. That is what RTQ is right, getting a return time at the ride.
Splash4eva
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No. What im saying is people who were generously given DAS for conditions that albeit valid most likely are not happening on every single ride and attraction. Still grant them that luxury on a needs basis but make it where its not as easy and convenient and will no longer be this free for all. Disney basically had no plan and it shows as months later people still dont have clarity…