Fido Chuckwagon
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Lol, the odds of them going back to the original system are roughly the same as them going back to free fast pass. 0.0 percent.The only tweak will be reverting back to the original system. Wait and see.
Lol, the odds of them going back to the original system are roughly the same as them going back to free fast pass. 0.0 percent.The only tweak will be reverting back to the original system. Wait and see.
I think those who have never used DAS and use Genie+ will see an improvement, and that is the majority of guests. Those that are standby-only remains to be seen, but it certainly won’t make things worse.Tone is hard to convey in a forum. I partly agree with you. I'm more posting more to discuss than to disagree.
As I said though, I'm a bit skeptical that this those who have never used DAS will see a big improvement.
I would say that’s up to the DOJ to decide - if someone has a legitimate complaint I would think they should share that.just point out that encouraging people to tie up the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division call center with frivolous complaints about a line skip system at a theme park is less than ideal. They have cases of discrimination against those with disabilities to dedicate their limited resources to.
Not a chance.The only tweak will be reverting back to the original system. Wait and see.
I’m guessing it won’t be long before clauses like these are ruled unenforceableThere's not going to be a dog pile class action lawsuit thank to the terms and conditions that everyone accepts when signing up to get evaluated for a DAS. Disney lawyers didn't particularly like when AP holders in California went in that direction over availability for reservations. They've included a clause in the purchase agreement and DAS sign up processes that each participant agrees not to file any group actions. Individuals can still file, but not groups which limit the law firms willing to invest in such actions.
I've been in LL queues that took some 40 minutes either because it was too packed
I think there are people that abuse the system to get DAS, but don't get G+. They get a 120min return time for 7D, then go hop in a 65min space mountain line. Again, I don't think this is automatically abuse but should probably be investigated by Disney (maybe it's an outdoor vs indoor issue for example).
Just from a philosophical standpoint I was kind of curious about this aspect as it seems a person’s ability to sign away their legal rights should be extremely limited. Otherwise, why wouldn’t everyone selling anything have you initial an “I promise not to sue” clause?I’m guessing it won’t be long before clauses like these are ruled unenforceable
This should be apparent for many disabilities.So this gets sticky, too, though. My son can do 60 minutes in the Winnie the Pooh line because it has tons of things to occupy him. He can't even do 40 minutes in a regular "boring" line, though. Well, not without a meltdown and usually kicking me...
There are a lot of clauses like that in service agreements though.Just from a philosophical standpoint I was kind of curious about this aspect as it seems a person’s ability to sign away their legal rights should be extremely limited. Otherwise, why wouldn’t everyone selling anything have you initial an “I promise not to sue” clause?
Liability waivers for risky activities seem to be common, although I’m not sure if they hold up in court. Other than that, I can’t think of a good example of people being allowed to sign away the right to use the legal system.
I don't feel like you're downplaying anything and the more info I give, the more you can understand how I do my park days, which I can totally share. It's taken a while to find a routine so I'm pretty happy to discuss.First of all I can't imagine what you go through on a daily basis. Sounds absolutely awful. I'm so sorry.
I'm genuinely curious, though, and this is not to downplay what you're going through, at all, but nearly all of the "please fill in all of the available space" type requests happen at points after which DAS will be useful. For example how do you cope with situations like at The Haunted Mansion pre-show, the Tower of Terror library, etc. It's the "large open room" type spaces where guests are often forced to huddle together to fit everyone in. It's exceedingly rare for cast members to be in standby queues asking guests to fill in the available space. By the same token, I'm surprised that LLs are any less dense than the standby lines, they just are often shorter and getting more people through per hour.
None of this is to doubt what you're going through, but I'm just trying to understand how DAS can be helpful in your case (and others like it) given the above.
What type of service agreements? Like if a construction worker is injured repairing your office?There are a lot of clauses like that in service agreements though.
This is a place of public accommodation though - it’s definitely an interesting move for Disney to make.There are a lot of clauses like that in service agreements though.
K, I called the ADAA because I figured that agency could give me answers. We are not experts and can debate for a quadrillion yrs but our thoughts are not laws.
The woman I spoke to told me that Disney cannot make people buy an accommodation, ie, Genie+. Now, CMs are not making people buy Genie+, it's a suggestion. She did say it needs to be looked into and that if people are having problems with denials, they should file a complaint. Disney only has to provide reasonable accommodations which I think we all know. No accommodation is not reasonable. So, say if someone goes to a ride CM and is not given a return to the line time and the guest feels this is not reasonable because of their condition, file a claim with file a complaint with the Disability Rights Section (DRS) in the Department of Justice , not the ADA. Note this will not help cheaters because filers will have to prove their disability, especially if the claim moves up the ladder.
My other question was about the class action thing you have to sign and she said they can't answer legal questions.
There is, however, an ADA information line that -BTW, the ADA is simply a piece of legislation.
I am no lawyer but as I understand it the ADA only mandates access to the attraction, as in, you physically being able to get on the ride if you want. It has nothing to do with how long you may have to wait in line to do so, which, you have the option of doing.
If it does not fundamentally alter the nature of their business. Line accommodations have never been required by the ADA, although that hasn't been tested.
The regulations extend far wider than the Standards for Accessible Design.I can’t find anything in ADA guidelines that supports that. It is only concerned with physical access to attractions as far as I can tell, as in, ramps, proper clearance and radius, etc. nothing about wait times.
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