News New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Splash4eva]

That's not it at all. Those who knew how to use it were successful. Nobody said you were lying just it wasn't sustainable due to lack of capacity.

Yet

That's not it at all. Those who knew how to use it were successful. Nobody said you were lying just it wasn't sustainable due to lack of capacity.

yet it is now? Capacity is and always will
Be the issue. Probably one of the few things this board will agree on

 

[Jrb1979]

Yet

yet it is now? Capacity is and always will
Be the issue. Probably one of the few things this board will agree on

Its always due to lack of capacity. It's also why I think that the Premier pass should be the only option.

 

[jennab55]

Has anyone heard of the LLs being super long still after the DAS change? I haven’t. What about standby?

 

[Splash4eva]

Its always due to lack of capacity. It's also why I think that the Premier pass should be the only option.

& lets say they do that. Everyone’s next complaint will
Be how Disney has priced everyone out now except the super rich. You know it i know it. Get the forum ready for it. Lines are miraculously not going to disappear even if they did. Capacity. Capacity. Capacity. Scary part is. Disney would still sell the majority of the same if they built a truly full park. And would be able to sell each new ride at an upcharge as well…

 

[Jrb1979]

& lets say they do that. Everyone’s next complaint will
Be how Disney has priced everyone out now except the super rich. You know it i know it. Get the forum ready for it. Lines are miraculously not going to disappear even if they did. Capacity. Capacity. Capacity. Scary part is. Disney would still sell the majority of the same if they built a truly full park. And would be able to sell each new ride at an upcharge as well…

Lines will never disappear but if the majority are using standby and a small percentage has LL then standby would move a lot quicker.

 

[Splash4eva]

Lines will never disappear but if the majority are using standby and a small percentage has LL then standby would move a lot quicker.

You are assuming a small percentage. Thats a huge assumption.

 

[Jrb1979]

You are assuming a small percentage. Thats a huge assumption.

Maybe not. They have been limiting the Premier Pass a lot and add in the cost and I think the amount of guests using it would be much lower than LLMP

 

[networkpro]

Has anyone heard of the LLs being super long still after the DAS change? I haven’t. What about standby?

I realize that its anecdotal, but in our experience last year before and after the DAS realignment there was a major change when comparing the visible and physical impacts. Prior to the change, Lightning Lane lines routinely exceeded the internal queue space and expanded to the walkways (and I'm not counting rope drop lines) and the resulting standby ratio acceptance made standby lines miserably long. After the change, we have yet to see egregious Lightning Lane queues and standby queues actually move again. This we observed and experienced weeks during April, September, November and December.

 

[WDWTrojan]

Has anyone heard of the LLs being super long still after the DAS change? I haven’t. What about standby?

LLs, in general, are way more pleasurable now. The only time they're really backed up seems to be if a major attraction has an unexpected downtime, it can throw off the algorithm for sometime thereafter.

You also get "deceiving" Lightning Lanes quite often, where some family is trying to tap in, arguing with the CM because it's turning blue and its backed up prior to the queue itself.

 

[jennab55]

I realize that its anecdotal, but in our experience last year before and after the DAS realignment there was a major change when comparing the visible and physical impacts. Prior to the change, Lightning Lane lines routinely exceeded the internal queue space and expanded to the walkways (and I'm not counting rope drop lines) and the resulting standby ratio acceptance made standby lines miserably long. After the change, we have yet to see egregious Lightning Lane queues and standby queues actually move again. This we observed and experienced weeks during April, September, November and December.

This is what I’ve been reading. I haven’t been back since it’s changed, but it sounds better for both LL and standby queue users.

 

[jennab55]

LLs, in general, are way more pleasurable now. The only time they're really backed up seems to be if a major attraction has an unexpected downtime, it can throw off the algorithm for sometime thereafter.

You also get "deceiving" Lightning Lanes quite often, where some family is trying to tap in, arguing with the CM because it's turning blue and its backed up prior to the queue itself.

On our last 2 visits prior to the change m, many of the LLs were long. Not really “lightning”. We had to skip a few or try to come back later. And this wasn’t just one or two due to rides being down, it was many.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

On our last 2 visits prior to the change m, many of the LLs were long. Not really “lightning”. We had to skip a few or try to come back later. And this wasn’t just one or two due to rides being down, it was many.

Yup - and is a negative for people who pay for G+/LL but also for those with DAS that can't wait in line long - even if a separate line if it is 20-30 mins doesn't really help

 

[DoubleSwitchback]

II've only gone twice since changes. July 2024, no diff in LL. December 2024, LL majorly shorter in MK.

I also noticed quite a bit of this:

You also get "deceiving" Lightning Lanes quite often, where some family is trying to tap in, arguing with the CM because it's turning blue and its backed up prior to the queue itself.

It happened i think 3 times over 2 days, which is very unusual IME. It's a pain but doesn't really increase wait time so I just internally roll my eyes and pleasantly wait.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

And yet there are how many reports and vlogs showing that this is not consistent? And Disney says to talk to the cast member about what "might" be given. And let's face it, you have ALWAYS been able to leave the line if you needed to and make your way back to your family. That is NOT any kind of special accommodation.

Sorta.

Generally speaking, anyone who tries to rejoin family is going to face a good deal of scorn. Just saw a family do this a few weeks ago. Mind, they didn't meet up at the merge, they got split up entering the queue. This was GoG. Part of the group scanned just fine, and they went ahead. (thinking everyone else was right behind them) The back part of the group had trouble scanning, and when they tried to rejoin their party a few minutes later, they had to pass a bunch of people. Mind, the front group could have waited for the back group, but the front group was tweens/teens, and the back group was the adult chaperones.
Mind, I'm not saying they handled it the best way possible, but some of the people they passed were not happy.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I realize that its anecdotal, but in our experience last year before and after the DAS realignment there was a major change when comparing the visible and physical impacts. Prior to the change, Lightning Lane lines routinely exceeded the internal queue space and expanded to the walkways (and I'm not counting rope drop lines) and the resulting standby ratio acceptance made standby lines miserably long. After the change, we have yet to see egregious Lightning Lane queues and standby queues actually move again. This we observed and experienced weeks during April, September, November and December.

WDW may also now be limiting LLMP compared to G+. The reduction of people in LL is not just a reduction in DAS. As bad as G+ was, LLMP = even fewer passes, even on a day when most standby waits were 5-10min.

It was to the point that it was not worth booking passes. With G+, if waits were 15min or less, I was mostly able to book passes one after the other for much of the day. With LLMP, my prebook options were a sad joke. Except for MK, it was just easier to revert to standby waits and give up on booking passes. When you book LLMP passes, you have to go where MDE tells you to go, but when we gave up, we could just go from ride to ride and do re-rides.

 

[jennab55]

WDW may also now be limiting LLMP compared to G+. The reduction of people in LL is not just a reduction in DAS. As bad as G+ was, LLMP = even fewer passes, even on a day when most standby waits were 5-10min.

Do we actually know this? Because people have the ability to prebook 3 LLs with LLMP, they could just be booking ahead of time which means less same day options.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Do we actually know this? Because people have the ability to prebook 3 LLs with LLMP, they could just be booking ahead of time which means less same day options.

I can't prove it, but I can't disprove it either.

I can say, the standby waits were exceptionally low a few weeks ago lower than last Jan. So it was odd that so few passes were available.

It seems to me, that when waits got low, last year, G+ would spit out passes like crazy. I was watching G+ just before the change, and most rides in MK were available all day with mostly close to booking return times.

 

[Jrb1979]

I can't prove it, but I can't disprove it either.

I can say, the standby waits were exceptionally low a few weeks ago lower than last Jan. So it was odd that so few passes were available.

It seems to me, that when waits got low, last year, G+ would spit out passes like crazy. I was watching G+ just before the change, and most rides in MK were available all day with mostly close to booking return times.

The lower availability could also be due to Premier Pass taking those.

 

[jennab55]

I can't prove it, but I can't disprove it either.

I can say, the standby waits were exceptionally low a few weeks ago lower than last Jan. So it was odd that so few passes were available.

It seems to me, that when waits got low, last year, G+ would spit out passes like crazy. I was watching G+ just before the change, and most rides in MK were available all day with mostly close to booking return times.

I haven’t used the new LLMP yet. Does it normally have decent same day availability at MK?

 

[RSoxNo1]

The front line cast members are absolutely the ones trained on attraction operations. The only "assessment" necessary at that point is how to access the queue. Nobody is assessing disabilities.

For individuals requiring accommodations that aren't covered by DAS they are instructed to talk to the CMs at the attraction entrance. At that point, the accommodation is decided on an attraction by attraction basis. That largely defeats the purpose of having the specialized cast members that determine DAS eligibility.

There will always be a some families who hit that "cut" no matter where it's made. 6 was overly generous; 4 seems adequate for most. There's really no logical reason why extended families living in multiple households need to be accommodated together just because they are related. At many places only 1 companion may accompany the person with a disability.

The three closest theme park resorts to Walt Disney World have a 6 guest cap (Universal, Busch Gardens and Legoland). Disney has had a 6 guest cap for as long as I recall. Dollywood uses a 6 guest cap. Six Flags uses a 4 guest cap, but they also use IBCCES which in my opinion is a better approach simply because you don't have to buy tickets in advance of the approval.

Disney is now the worst of any of the major players in the country when it comes to disability access.