News New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Chip Chipperson]

Oh, it's out. DAS Defenders has a video on exactly the magic words for Unique Party Size. It's shameful

Ironic that the "DAS Sefenders" will be the ones who eventually kill DAS.

 

[Splash4eva]

I agree. At the same time Disney does this to themselves by making these benefits have too much of a benefit to use them.

Listen. We can debate this all we want. Im pretty sure the “cheaters” have been semi weeded out. Bottom line you are never getting to zero. Renaming does nothing & rules have changed as well. As a DAS user yes is it a “benefit” but for those who need it and still qualify there are reason for that and the benefits at times do equal out. The changes have definitely helped take away some of the “advantages”. The 10 minute wait. The basic hard cap unless its immediate family for party size. Removing the 2 pre books they were giving away like candy. I know people are adamant about no allowing to double dip but no way Disney is going to risk losing that revenue and im genuinely curious how many DAS are buying Genie as well granted i always did it and i know others here have said they have as well but most seem not too… a couple other suggestions ive made is only allowing people to ride something X amount of times or a re ride of has to come X amount of hours later. Again i know it can be a legal battle but again aa a DAS user this to me is a major benefit. Also tapping in being able to book a ride asap is another slight advantage bc lets face it. Probably takes a solid 10 minutes to get anywhere so they can maybe change that and to me the biggest is booking a ride while eating breakfast/lunch/dinner/snacks but in theory how are you stopping that? Its impossible. So to me Disney has done a pretty good job in “restricting” things without taking away a persons ability who needs DAS away

 

[jaklgreen]

Reading between the lines. For those that do not qualify for DAS but are either traveling solo or an Adult with 1 child (AKA RTQ doesn't work). There is a specific set of things you can say/ask for that gains you an advantage for getting on the ride easier or faster than those in standby (I'm not going to speculate on what the advantage is).

The reason Splash4eva isn't openly talking about it is because it would be very easy for a family for 4 to split up and use the advantage claiming they are a single parent with 1 kid (or a couple splitting up an saying they are each solo, ect).

Well, I think that this is something that most people could figure out themselves. I think that it was even talked about months ago, how people would figure this out and lie. There will always be those who try to cheat the system. Shame that it is the people that truly need it that have to deal with the fallout.

 

[Jrb1979]

Listen. We can debate this all we want. Im pretty sure the “cheaters” have been semi weeded out. Bottom line you are never getting to zero. Renaming does nothing & rules have changed as well. As a DAS user yes is it a “benefit” but for those who need it and still qualify there are reason for that and the benefits at times do equal out. The changes have definitely helped take away some of the “advantages”. The 10 minute wait. The basic hard cap unless its immediate family for party size. Removing the 2 pre books they were giving away like candy. I know people are adamant about no allowing to double dip but no way Disney is going to risk losing that revenue and im genuinely curious how many DAS are buying Genie as well granted i always did it and i know others here have said they have as well but most seem not too… a couple other suggestions ive made is only allowing people to ride something X amount of times or a re ride of has to come X amount of hours later. Again i know it can be a legal battle but again aa a DAS user this to me is a major benefit. Also tapping in being able to book a ride asap is another slight advantage bc lets face it. Probably takes a solid 10 minutes to get anywhere so they can maybe change that and to me the biggest is booking a ride while eating breakfast/lunch/dinner/snacks but in theory how are you stopping that? Its impossible. So to me Disney has done a pretty good job in “restricting” things without taking away a persons ability who needs DAS away

I agree it's much better and the DAS portion isn't the problem now. It's the alternative options that now are the problem. I haven't looked at how the solo option works but the fact people are cheating the system to use it means it's a better alternative than paying for LLs.

For my point of view the alternative options should be helpful for those who need it but not better than buying LLMP if that makes sense

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

I think I could pretty easily guess what to say to trigger the accommodation that is intended for solo adults & solo adults + child(ren) and what that accommodation is, just as I don’t think it’s that hard to figure out what to say to qualify for DAS even after the changes.

I truly think most people are not willing to lie for both of those things, and that the ‘people were sharing the script to get DAS online’ narrative was an easy scapegoat when the change was done to get a bulk of legitimate users out of the system. I still think that’s true, and that those who are willing to lie have probably been quietly doing it since the change happened just as they were before, and it’ll take a lot more than that to truly ruin it for those who legitimately need it.

 

[Splash4eva]

I agree it's much better and the DAS portion isn't the problem now. It's the alternative options that now are the problem. I haven't looked at how the solo option works but the fact people are cheating the system to use it means it's a better alternative than paying for LLs.

For my point of view the alternative options should be helpful for those who need it but not better than buying LLMP if that makes sense

There is a reason why they dont wanna go public with it but imo when it works and allowed it is better in many cases…

 

[DoubleSwitchback]

I feel naive, but it just occurred to me that the explosion in alternatives to DAS probably means that some people are stacking DAS and non-DAS! I think Unique Party Size is the only one where they actually check anything (former DAS and party size). Otherwise, someone can go up to the CM, give a story about being former DAS to get a return time while still having DAS, and have several return times at once.

 

[Purduevian]

I agree they should abide by the rules but we all know it will never happen. DAS itself is fine since the change. It's the alternative options that seem to be the problem now.

I honestly think there is a pretty simple way Disney could stop a ton of the cheating...

Disney 100% follows these Facebook groups and reads threads like these. They pretty easily can target a few high profile cheaters. Simply get irrefutable proof they are lying, such as video evidence that a couple split up right before a ride and claimed they were traveling solo to get this advantage. After the ride, permanently ban the couple from WDW. Do this a dozen times and a lot of people won't risk lying.

Put a team of 10 security people on it for a month and watch the abuse drop.

 

[DoubleSwitchback]

Ironic that the "DAS Sefenders" will be the ones who eventually kill DAS.

I finally left when someone proudly posted about screaming at CMs when they wouldn't give her free LLs b/c of her DAS denial, and everyone was gassing her up.

 

[jennab55]

I finally left when someone proudly posted about screaming at CMs when they wouldn't give her free LLs b/c of her DAS denial, and everyone was gassing her up.

Wow, that’s disgusting.

 

[flynnibus]

I have not because I just can't afford to plan a trip, take time off of work, and then find out that they aren't going to do anything for me. I go on so little as it is even with DAS. I have yet to hear any first hand accounts or something from Disney on how they handle solo travelers. I don't think that it is reasonable to plan a trip without knowing what they offer. NO other theme park goes about it this way.

Or - maybe it's not nearly as bad as you think.

Never heard of someone not giving time off back if you don't actually go... I hope the new planning windows help your situation.

 

[flynnibus]

Yeah, no. The whole "call and we might help you" is BS. Every other park, in the world, has a clear cut list of what is and is not accommodated. And then people saying "I talked to Disney and have been sworn to secrecy" is weird.

And that too is an unrealistic expectation. The law is INTENDED to be tailored to someone's needs. You continually advocating for this published list of commandments doesn't really help those with disabilities... nor really your cause for winning over opinions here.

 

[flynnibus]

There is a reason why they dont wanna go public with it but imo when it works and allowed it is better in many cases…

So when is your trip when you will use this new accommodation?

 

[Jrb1979]

There is a reason why they dont wanna go public with it but imo when it works and allowed it is better in many cases…

I'm sorry to say but IMO is the problem. While I do agree that the liars and cheaters are a problem, making this system equal or better than LLMP is just as much of a problem.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

I'm sorry to say but IMO is the problem. While I do agree that the liars and cheaters are a problem, making this system equal or better than LLMP is just as much of a problem.

It makes no sense to argue that you need to cripple the benefits to DAS, which are their to help people who are in need, because other people might want to use them. It certainly makes no sense because for people looking to cheat the system, even if you did cripple DAS accommodations slightly considering they are free, they are always going to be looked at by cheaters as better than LLMP.

 

[Splash4eva]

So when is your trip when you will use this new accommodation?

I was approved for DAS so i will not need to use it…

 

[Splash4eva]

I'm sorry to say but IMO is the problem. While I do agree that the liars and cheaters are a problem, making this system equal or better than LLMP is just as much of a problem.

Honestly when explained to me i said the same thing to the CM i was talking to online that this is in theory can be a better option as i said i am approved for DaS so i will not be using it….

 

[Purduevian]

It makes no sense to argue that you need to cripple the benefits to DAS, which are their to help people who are in need, because other people might want to use them. It certainly makes no sense because for people looking to cheat the system, even if you did cripple DAS accommodations slightly considering they are free, they are always going to be looked at by cheaters as better than LLMP.

I mean there are 3 ways to reduce cheaters.

1) Make it harder to get the accommodation
2) Make the accommodation less desirable
3) Make an effort to catch cheaters and ban them

They went with 1 and 2

 

[flynnibus]

I was approved for DAS so i will not need to use it…

So again, when is your trip when your assumptions will be tested?

 

[jaklgreen]

I feel naive, but it just occurred to me that the explosion in alternatives to DAS probably means that some people are stacking DAS and non-DAS! I think Unique Party Size is the only one where they actually check anything (former DAS and party size). Otherwise, someone can go up to the CM, give a story about being former DAS to get a return time while still having DAS, and have several return times at once.

Don't they scan your ticket to give you a return time though? Or can anyone go up and say, "hey, I had to get out of line and need to meet up with my family again"?