Most likely and the lines will even fuller with more crabby people. I am worried we go in a few months and I have 4 kids with spectrum disorders and it will not work if we have to wait in standby. There will be screaming head butting head banging and probably vomiting.Will standby queue times increase with less people being given DAS?
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New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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ditzee
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I'm sorry. Hoping all goes well for you.
Fido Chuckwagon
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I’m not assuming anything. In this very thread there is a user who admitted he got DAS for heat sensitivity, and absolutely could wait in indoor air-conditioned standby queues, but nevertheless used DAS. That user was absolutely a legitimate DAS user who could sometimes use standby.
A lot of that was the drone show - almost no one went to mk but Epcot and Hollywood studios were packed.
We no one should be denied because someone else had a bad day. Then clearly the system is flawed badly.
Chi84
Premium Member
I think it will help because of the limitations on Genie+. But as I’ve said Disney has now changed its business model to selling line-skips and I believe Len said at one point only 1 out of 4 guests in an LL appeared to have paid for it. That’s a definite concern for any business.
So what about cases of autism where it’s unlikely either of these would work?
Disney Glimpses
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I'm not a CM but hopefully they would qualify for DAS.
Chi84
Premium Member
There’s no answer to this now but eventually it may come down to Disney not being able to provide a line-skip system like DAS because it just doesn’t have the capacity to do so regardless of legitimate need.
Honestly we will cancel if we don’t get approved. And that’s not a threat. We simply can’t do it. We tried genie and it required us to run all over the park with the youngest ones who can’t be rushed. We were five minutes they wouldn’t accommodate and with asd they fixate on certain rides - they would only be able to ride their favorite once. Sadly standby will end with them or someone in both injured crying and covered in puke.
Fido Chuckwagon
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Literally what the new DAS appears designed for. Someone with a developmental disorder, such as autism or similar, who cannot wait in conventional queues due to their disorder.
That’s our hope but we are seeing all kinds of denials. The last trip I took them with me to the grocery store ended with all of us crying. I have asd too and when they get worked up it triggers me too.
Disstevefan1
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Well, will they increase the number of Genie+ sold and increase the number of return times in the system?
I think they will need to increase the number of Genie+ as will as increase the number of return times in the system to accommodate the folks who previously legitimately qualified for DAS and now do not and need to be in the shortest queue possible.
I go to the parks often and have many friends who go to the parks often. No less than six people I know, all of them APs, have DAS for medical reasons which they all "need," but with a wink and a nod. Issues like "anxiety," "IBS" or "some new medication that makes me pee a lot." I think people are really underestimating the level of abuse that was out there, particularly among the local/influencer crowd.
At Disneyland, the number must have been astronomical - I'd guess that the percentage of Magic Key holders with DAS had to be 25%+.
Edit: I'd also add that one thing all of suggested is an unlimited G+ option for APs. If Disney offered a $500-600/year upcharge for unlimited G+, I think people would be happy to do it.
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MickeyLuv'r
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I don't know this kind of comparing is particularly useful or helpful.
There are plenty of older adults who were never diagnosed, but have a degree of neurodivergence. Today many girls and those who lack access to medical care are underdiagnosed.
If we see a 5 year old child in extreme distress in a queue at WDW or elsewhere, as external observers, we are not in a position to determine if that child is neurodivergent or not. It shouldn't matter.
Further, neurodivergent people are sometimes known to have some strengths other children do not have, like noticing small details that others overlook, or an exceptional ability to memorize. A number of neurodivergent people have successfully cultivated those strengths into exceptional careers.
I was surprised to recently learn that Henry Winkler has severe dyslexia that went undiagnosed in his youth. How many times were his struggles dismissed because the people around him did not understand?
The goal should be a WDW that everyone can enjoy.
Chi84
Premium Member
I said it might help, not that it would fix anything.
WDW does not have the capacity to make a paid line-skip system work, and they understood this during the 20+ years of free FP and FP +. Now everyone is suffering the consequences of that greed and there’s no help for that.
Club Cooloholic
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What are the requirements, legally? I am just curious. Such as what does an airline or a theater have to do? For ADA , I know about requiring ways into a pool, having ways other than stairs into buildings impaired, but not sure what it is how specifically these requirements are met in other instances. I did find a bit of case law on it and Disney argument which the court agreed with was this.
From the link below:
In court documents, Disney argues that it’s impossible for them to prevent these meltdowns and that they have no legal obligation to do so. They claim the court’s decision to move the suits to trial “assumes that Disney somehow has the ability, let alone legal obligation, to prevent meltdowns with instant and unrestricted ride entry.”
Disney Working to Block Dozens of Lawsuits Related to ADA, Autism
Disney is fighting back against 30 lawsuits claiming their amusement parks have failed to reasonably accommodate visitors with severe autism.
abilitymagazine.com
Fido Chuckwagon
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I think everyone can agree with this. And the current system, where a relatively small percentage of park guests were using a relatively huge amount of park capacity on all the popular rides belies that goal.
Fido Chuckwagon
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That article is old. Disney won that lawsuit.What are the requirements, legally? I am just curious. Such as what does an airline or a theater have to do? For ADA , I know about requiring ways into a pool, having ways other than stairs into buildings impaired, but not sure what it is how specifically these requirements are met in other instances. I did find a bit of case law on it and Disney argument which the court agreed with was this.
From the link below:
In court documents, Disney argues that it’s impossible for them to prevent these meltdowns and that they have no legal obligation to do so. They claim the court’s decision to move the suits to trial “assumes that Disney somehow has the ability, let alone legal obligation, to prevent meltdowns with instant and unrestricted ride entry.”
Disney Working to Block Dozens of Lawsuits Related to ADA, Autism
Disney is fighting back against 30 lawsuits claiming their amusement parks have failed to reasonably accommodate visitors with severe autism.
Club Cooloholic
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I realize that, that's why I said the court agreed with Disney.