TrainsOfDisney
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There are some posts on here that question if those with disabilities should even visit Disney parks at all.
Not you of course, but they do exist!
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New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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Not you of course, but they do exist!
Chi84
Premium Member
I don’t really understand all of that but as far as I can tell no law has said the DAS system is required. It’s Disney’s system. So they get to say how it’s used and they get to define and figure out how to measure abuse.
DryerLintFan
Premium Member
Advantages DAS might give someone:
- your wait time starts for your first ride at the front gate when you book your return time, not when you get to the attraction
- you can do other things while you’re waiting for your return time
-you can start your next return time while in line for the first ride, so that ride is ready when you’re done riding the current one
- you can get waived into rides with 15 minute or less wait
-return times are not impacted and do not impact your prebooked rides, LLs, or Genie+ reservations
- you get 2 pre-booked rides per day
-you get to use the LL lines at parties/events
Look, i fully understand the disadvantages people with disabilities have in every day life. Being disabled sucks. But pretending like the current DAS isn’t advantageous is not going to lend credibility to that side of the argument. Right now the system is more than accommodating. Above and beyond the experience someone on standby all day would have, if we’re being honest.
Ayla
Well-Known Member
And you think actually standing in a line for an hour + is fun?!?
DryerLintFan
Premium Member
Yeah…
I don’t get an inference made to that at this point?
It doesn’t scan at all.
When I start my own burner board… it’s gonna have one rule: if you say “why don’t they just get rid of genie and give me my fastpass+ back?!?”…you get the penalty box
It was awesome you could book soarin from your bathroom 90 days in advance for free on your trip to port orleans…but those days are GONE, sister
Okay but, get rid of Genie+, give me FP+ back, and I’ll pay you what i would have for G+. And potentially pay to add a fourth FP+ selection, depending on the park.
And then i can plan my trips again
and Disney still gets their money
el_super
Well-Known Member
How long did they have to wait for ROTR in this scenario? You make it sound like it was already 0 minutes when they were issued the DAS return.
How do you know that isn't the correct number though? How do you know that's all abuse?
Trust me when I say this isn't about wanting the system to remain the same. I've seen it change four or five times now through the years. Every time these arguments would come up about stopping the abuse with no proof and no evidence of what the abuse was or why it was a problem. They always come from a weird place where people want to make sure another group of people are not getting an advantage. The system has been changed so many times to limit abuse and yet here we are again...
Sure. How many of the 8% of DAS users do you think are doing that though? That are really just cheating the system? Lying to get the pass and then running around and jumping into 30, 40 or 60 minute waits elsewhere?
I'm thinking it's still a really small number. Less than 1% small.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I’m sure something like that is coming…but plus was more logjammed than genie is…Okay but, get rid of Genie+, give me FP+ back, and I’ll pay you what i would have for G+. And potentially pay to add a fourth FP+ selection, depending on the park.
AB’s then i can plan my trips again
Think charging for that is gonna go over well?
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
Not sure what that has to do with anything. You do realize majority of DAS DO need it correct? The ignorance on these boards are beyond at times. Smfh
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I’ve read many of them…they seem
More spiteful than I bet they are meant to be…there are some legit questions about what makes sense? Just with a side of jerk juice
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
But that doesn’t address the question posed. Nobody likes the lines. Nobody.
If the stance is “people can wait in lines so they should”?…this thread is gonna get a heel turn fast
Fido Chuckwagon
Well-Known Member
I’m sure the prebooks were because they were worried that DAS users who previously could get free fast pass on top of DAS no longer could so giving them two prebooks plus the first book of the day was the equivalent of still letting them have the old free fastpass (three rides per day). It was dumb because they somehow didn’t anticipate the level to which the system would be abused.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The standby lines are losing out…and so is Disney…in theory
DryerLintFan
Premium Member
In this scenario the DAS user reserved RotR the minute they tapped into the park, and IT had let’s say a 60 minute wait because it’s early so that’sa 50 minute return time. The walk back there would be about 15 minutes right off the bat, even if they don’t stop for coffee, have a reservation for ogas, go to the restroom, meeta character get in line for a photopass, go shopping, etc. So right off the bat they’re waiting 25 minutes less than a standby guest.
And that’s without any extras or side quests.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
Blame Disney for their policies. Ive already stated countless times as what they should have done to ease alot of this pain and all would take away from what DAS offers now BUT still provides an experience that is more than fair. And ill state this again. If anyone is foolish enough to believe that people who have lied to get DAS is all of a sudden going to have a moral compass you are sadly mistaken. So what happens. People who need it will be turned down. No matter how small that number is. I think we all know this is about money and how Disney can make more of it.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
On money… thats all they care about. If there was No pad service. They would do nada to fix any problem
el_super
Well-Known Member
Accommodation is required by law. Which is why I don't think anything is going to really change when the latest DAS 2.0 gets rolled out. Maybe Disney is hoping that they can convince some more abled-bodied people to stand in the standby line to reduce the waits for Genie+. Once people figure out what to say or do in order to get fasttracked a DAS 2.0, that info will get out on the internet and within a few months the CM resolve to police it will evaporate and we will be right back where we have been for 20+ years.
They can't ask for proof of a disability or a doctors note. They can't risk rejecting someone who honestly needs the accommodation either. So they will probably end up over prescribing DAS anyway.
They will reduce the extra members of the party to just "family" but they're not going to hire genealogists to stand in line and figure that out. It will probably be up to the already overworked CMs to just "figure it out."
They will probably introduce some return-to-line feature that will allow people to leave a line and come back, potentially engaging in the same type of abuse people here are worried about. Will there be a time limit? Will they have CMs standing at the bathroom with a stopwatch? Probably not.
The only thing that has really changed in the last week is that the people who really do need DAS are now stressed about trying to figure out if they still qualify (a process no able person ever has to go through) while the people selling their tour guide services (which Disney could have banned already but didn't) plot their next move.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
They are ok if some needs are denied if it sheers off a significant chunk of the abusers
That’s business tradeoff they’re looking for
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Brian
Well-Known Member
Personally, I think the only way to make it fair is to take guests waiting for their DAS return time and force them into a confined, windowless space with loud music, dim lighting, and no seating or restrooms. They'll have to stand there, one behind the other, until their time comes, at which time, they'll be escorted by armed security to the LL entrance to ensure they don't go do anything else first. Of course, the security will need to accompany them to the ride vehicle and ensure the vehicle is dispatched, lest we take the chance of them abusing the system by scanning in and not riding.
Also, they'd need to make sure to confiscate their cell phones in this disabled person waiting area. We wouldn't want to risk anyone having fun while other guests are waiting in the standby line!
/s
This is what some of you sound like with your incessant complaining about the "unfairness" of DAS. Yes, it gives those guests an advantage. There's no way around this issue that would still accommodate the guest while ensuring a perfectly equal (miserable) experience to those waiting in the standby line. For God's sake, let them have an advantage for once in their lives. They already struggle enough every day, they can't have a nice day at WDW?
Also, you act as if they're going to be skipping down Main Street with a Mickey bar in hand singing Zip-a-dee-do-dah while you're waiting in the SDMT line... they're not. More than likely, while you're waiting in the line, they're going to be doing something to destimulate ("quiet time"), or worse, having a meltdown. Not exactly everyone's idea of a good time.
Also, they'd need to make sure to confiscate their cell phones in this disabled person waiting area. We wouldn't want to risk anyone having fun while other guests are waiting in the standby line!
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This is what some of you sound like with your incessant complaining about the "unfairness" of DAS. Yes, it gives those guests an advantage. There's no way around this issue that would still accommodate the guest while ensuring a perfectly equal (miserable) experience to those waiting in the standby line. For God's sake, let them have an advantage for once in their lives. They already struggle enough every day, they can't have a nice day at WDW?
Also, you act as if they're going to be skipping down Main Street with a Mickey bar in hand singing Zip-a-dee-do-dah while you're waiting in the SDMT line... they're not. More than likely, while you're waiting in the line, they're going to be doing something to destimulate ("quiet time"), or worse, having a meltdown. Not exactly everyone's idea of a good time.
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Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
Yet they did nothing to change until now and people who lied will do the same they literally gave you a blue print on how ro do it…
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
No…
It’s the satisfaction/repeat potential/PR buzz from people buying genie or just tickets in general they are concerned with…
…and the money
They aren’t mutually exclusive at all.