New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Ayla]

This. At EPCOT you can enjoy festival booths while waiting for a DAS return time. At MK you can watch a parade while waiting. Not equal to standing in line at all.

Agreed, which is why the whole "but we are in line, just not standing in it!!" whining makes me laugh.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Well it’s not those traveling with disabilities/issues that are being tossed shade

There are some posts on here that question if those with disabilities should even visit Disney parks at all.

Not you of course, but they do exist!

 

[Chi84]

Did he provide the numbers on how many abusers there are? I never saw that. I wonder how he figured that out.



By what measure? The kind of abuse we are referring to here: double dipping attractions wasn't really possible with GAC before, so how would they have tracked that?

Or did you somehow skip back to thinking the widespread abuse is really just some nebulous concept of people who would otherwise not need DAS using it to get an advantage on another group? That weird nebulous concept fueling all these justice fantasies? The group that Disney finally stamped out when they went from GAC to DAS?

Disney is not keeping any medical data on their guests. They are not consulting with doctors each time someone requests assistance. Disney doesn't know how many people requesting DAS really need it versus other accomodations.

I don’t really understand all of that but as far as I can tell no law has said the DAS system is required. It’s Disney’s system. So they get to say how it’s used and they get to define and figure out how to measure abuse.

 

[DryerLintFan]

Guests with DAS still have to wait. Maybe not in a physical queue, but they are still committing time to getting on an attraction. They are still limited to the number of attractions they can get in a day.

The only way anyone with DAS has any advantage over someone in Standby is if they, with an assigned return time, jump into a standby queue for an attraction with a shorter wait time. The scenarios where that makes sense, and the number of people with that opportunity and desire to use it, is probably extremely small.

Advantages DAS might give someone:

- your wait time starts for your first ride at the front gate when you book your return time, not when you get to the attraction

- you can do other things while you’re waiting for your return time

-you can start your next return time while in line for the first ride, so that ride is ready when you’re done riding the current one

- you can get waived into rides with 15 minute or less wait

-return times are not impacted and do not impact your prebooked rides, LLs, or Genie+ reservations

- you get 2 pre-booked rides per day

-you get to use the LL lines at parties/events


Look, i fully understand the disadvantages people with disabilities have in every day life. Being disabled sucks. But pretending like the current DAS isn’t advantageous is not going to lend credibility to that side of the argument. Right now the system is more than accommodating. Above and beyond the experience someone on standby all day would have, if we’re being honest.

 

[Ayla]

So what do you suggest people to do? Just sit around and do nothing. Im sorry people watching is not fun if you ask me. When we eat should i not book something and wait until dinner and lunch is over? Or even breakfast when i eat in the other 3 parks? Come on now. We know noone would do that. Heck its even encouraged when the system went live and explained. You want to debate about holding both a DAS and Genie we can have that convo but imo no way is Disney risking losing out on any money from Genie for anyone willing to pay for it.

And you think actually standing in a line for an hour + is fun?!?

 

[DryerLintFan]

Yeah…

I don’t get an inference made to that at this point?

It doesn’t scan at all.

When I start my own burner board… it’s gonna have one rule: if you say “why don’t they just get rid of genie and give me my fastpass+ back?!?”…you get the penalty box

It was awesome you could book soarin from your bathroom 90 days in advance for free on your trip to port orleans…but those days are GONE, sister

Okay but, get rid of Genie+, give me FP+ back, and I’ll pay you what i would have for G+. And potentially pay to add a fourth FP+ selection, depending on the park.

And then i can plan my trips again and Disney still gets their money

 

[el_super]

Not really though. Right now, a DAS user taps into, let’s say ROTR, and immediately can grab another ride. Let’s say MMRR has a 60 minute queue at that point. Right off the top the DAS user is getting around 10 minutes chopped off that wait. The DAS user still needs to wait in the ROTR LL queu, make their way through the pre-shows, and ride the actual ride. Let’s call that process 25 minutes. The DAS user then needs to make their way over to MMRR, maybe they stop for the bathroom on the way over. By the time they get to MMRR their DAS is ready to go.

How long did they have to wait for ROTR in this scenario? You make it sound like it was already 0 minutes when they were issued the DAS return.

I mean, I get that there are people in this thread who really don’t want DAS to change, but this is just burying your head in the sand. There have been repeated posts from trusted members such as Len Testa and other insiders that have led to the conclusion that a very small amount (around 8 percent) of guests are hoovering up a very large (as high as 71 percent) percentage of ride capacity. It is not all just “bunk.”

How do you know that isn't the correct number though? How do you know that's all abuse?

Trust me when I say this isn't about wanting the system to remain the same. I've seen it change four or five times now through the years. Every time these arguments would come up about stopping the abuse with no proof and no evidence of what the abuse was or why it was a problem. They always come from a weird place where people want to make sure another group of people are not getting an advantage. The system has been changed so many times to limit abuse and yet here we are again...

There are literally people in this thread who have admitted to “running from ride to ride or show to show” while waiting for their assigned times.

Sure. How many of the 8% of DAS users do you think are doing that though? That are really just cheating the system? Lying to get the pass and then running around and jumping into 30, 40 or 60 minute waits elsewhere?

I'm thinking it's still a really small number. Less than 1% small.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Okay but, get rid of Genie+, give me FP+ back, and I’ll pay you what i would have for G+. And potentially pay to add a fourth FP+ selection, depending on the park.

AB’s then i can plan my trips again and Disney still gets their money

I’m sure something like that is coming…but plus was more logjammed than genie is…

Think charging for that is gonna go over well?

 

[Splash4eva]

And you think actually standing in a line for an hour + is fun?!?

Not sure what that has to do with anything. You do realize majority of DAS DO need it correct? The ignorance on these boards are beyond at times. Smfh

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There are some posts on here that question if those with disabilities should even visit Disney parks at all.

Not you of course, but they do exist!

I’ve read many of them…they seem
More spiteful than I bet they are meant to be…there are some legit questions about what makes sense? Just with a side of jerk juice

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not sure what that has to do with anything. You do realize majority of DAS DO need it correct? The ignorance on these boards are beyond at times. Smfh

But that doesn’t address the question posed. Nobody likes the lines. Nobody.

If the stance is “people can wait in lines so they should”?…this thread is gonna get a heel turn fast

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

That is correct and you can also hold your 2 pre booked attractions as well… this is why i said from the get go. The pre books NEEDED to go immediately once they first started seeing this trend. They are under no obligation to hand them out. Not only did they give 1 they gave 2!!! They cant be that clueless. Can they?!?

I’m sure the prebooks were because they were worried that DAS users who previously could get free fast pass on top of DAS no longer could so giving them two prebooks plus the first book of the day was the equivalent of still letting them have the old free fastpass (three rides per day). It was dumb because they somehow didn’t anticipate the level to which the system would be abused.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So what do you suggest people to do? Just sit around and do nothing. Im sorry people watching is not fun if you ask me. When we eat should i not book something and wait until dinner and lunch is over? Or even breakfast when i eat in the other 3 parks? Come on now. We know noone would do that. Heck its even encouraged when the system went live and explained. You want to debate about holding both a DAS and Genie we can have that convo but imo no way is Disney risking losing out on any money from Genie for anyone willing to pay for it.

The standby lines are losing out…and so is Disney…in theory

 

[DryerLintFan]

How long did they have to wait for ROTR in this scenario? You make it sound like it was already 0 minutes when they were issued the DAS return.



How do you know that isn't the correct number though? How do you know that's all abuse?

Trust me when I say this isn't about wanting the system to remain the same. I've seen it change four or five times now through the years. Every time these arguments would come up about stopping the abuse with no proof and no evidence of what the abuse was or why it was a problem. They always come from a weird place where people want to make sure another group of people are not getting an advantage. The system has been changed so many times to limit abuse and yet here we are again...




Sure. How many of the 8% of DAS users do you think are doing that though? That are really just cheating the system? Lying to get the pass and then running around and jumping into 30, 40 or 60 minute waits elsewhere?

I'm thinking it's still a really small number. Less than 1% small.

In this scenario the DAS user reserved RotR the minute they tapped into the park, and IT had let’s say a 60 minute wait because it’s early so that’sa 50 minute return time. The walk back there would be about 15 minutes right off the bat, even if they don’t stop for coffee, have a reservation for ogas, go to the restroom, meeta character get in line for a photopass, go shopping, etc. So right off the bat they’re waiting 25 minutes less than a standby guest.

And that’s without any extras or side quests.

 

[Splash4eva]

But that doesn’t address the question posed. Nobody likes the lines. Nobody.

If the stance is “people can wait in lines so they should”?…this thread is gonna get a heel turn fast

Blame Disney for their policies. Ive already stated countless times as what they should have done to ease alot of this pain and all would take away from what DAS offers now BUT still provides an experience that is more than fair. And ill state this again. If anyone is foolish enough to believe that people who have lied to get DAS is all of a sudden going to have a moral compass you are sadly mistaken. So what happens. People who need it will be turned down. No matter how small that number is. I think we all know this is about money and how Disney can make more of it.

 

[Splash4eva]

The standby lines are losing out…and so is Disney…in theory

On money… thats all they care about. If there was No pad service. They would do nada to fix any problem

 

[el_super]

I don’t really understand all of that but as far as I can tell no law has said the DAS system is required. It’s Disney’s system. So they get to say how it’s used and they get to define and figure out how to measure abuse.

Accommodation is required by law. Which is why I don't think anything is going to really change when the latest DAS 2.0 gets rolled out. Maybe Disney is hoping that they can convince some more abled-bodied people to stand in the standby line to reduce the waits for Genie+. Once people figure out what to say or do in order to get fasttracked a DAS 2.0, that info will get out on the internet and within a few months the CM resolve to police it will evaporate and we will be right back where we have been for 20+ years.

They can't ask for proof of a disability or a doctors note. They can't risk rejecting someone who honestly needs the accommodation either. So they will probably end up over prescribing DAS anyway.

They will reduce the extra members of the party to just "family" but they're not going to hire genealogists to stand in line and figure that out. It will probably be up to the already overworked CMs to just "figure it out."

They will probably introduce some return-to-line feature that will allow people to leave a line and come back, potentially engaging in the same type of abuse people here are worried about. Will there be a time limit? Will they have CMs standing at the bathroom with a stopwatch? Probably not.

The only thing that has really changed in the last week is that the people who really do need DAS are now stressed about trying to figure out if they still qualify (a process no able person ever has to go through) while the people selling their tour guide services (which Disney could have banned already but didn't) plot their next move.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Blame Disney for their policies. Ive already stated countless times as what they should have done to ease alot of this pain and all would take away from what DAS offers now BUT still provides an experience that is more than fair. And ill state this again. If anyone is foolish enough to believe that people who have lied to get DAS is all of a sudden going to have a moral compass you are sadly mistaken. So what happens. People who need it will be turned down. No matter how small that number is. I think we all know this is about money and how Disney can make more of it.

They are ok if some needs are denied if it sheers off a significant chunk of the abusers

That’s business tradeoff they’re looking for

 

[Brian]

Personally, I think the only way to make it fair is to take guests waiting for their DAS return time and force them into a confined, windowless space with loud music, dim lighting, and no seating or restrooms. They'll have to stand there, one behind the other, until their time comes, at which time, they'll be escorted by armed security to the LL entrance to ensure they don't go do anything else first. Of course, the security will need to accompany them to the ride vehicle and ensure the vehicle is dispatched, lest we take the chance of them abusing the system by scanning in and not riding.

Also, they'd need to make sure to confiscate their cell phones in this disabled person waiting area. We wouldn't want to risk anyone having fun while other guests are waiting in the standby line!

/s

This is what some of you sound like with your incessant complaining about the "unfairness" of DAS. Yes, it gives those guests an advantage. There's no way around this issue that would still accommodate the guest while ensuring a perfectly equal (miserable) experience to those waiting in the standby line. For God's sake, let them have an advantage for once in their lives. They already struggle enough every day, they can't have a nice day at WDW?

Also, you act as if they're going to be skipping down Main Street with a Mickey bar in hand singing Zip-a-dee-do-dah while you're waiting in the SDMT line... they're not. More than likely, while you're waiting in the line, they're going to be doing something to destimulate ("quiet time"), or worse, having a meltdown. Not exactly everyone's idea of a good time.

 

[Splash4eva]

I’m sure the prebooks were because they were worried that DAS users who previously could get free fast pass on top of DAS no longer could so giving them two prebooks plus the first book of the day was the equivalent of still letting them have the old free fastpass (three rides per day). It was dumb because they somehow didn’t anticipate the level to which the system would be abused.

Yet they did nothing to change until now and people who lied will do the same they literally gave you a blue print on how ro do it…