Tha Realest
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Oh I know that’s going on now. I meant if the new standard was just “get a doctor’s note”
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New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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Splash4eva
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Okay can i ask you this simple question and im gonna end it here…
If someone claims they have IBS and cant wait in lines bc of it. They get approved for DAS
Now that same CM who works 8-10 hour shifts never uses the bathroom or has to leave his post no matter what job they have. Pretty safe to say they are lying correct?
Tha Realest
Well-Known Member
This is a weird hypothetical. You're describing a person at very odd extremes. It would be just as atypical for someone to have uncontrollable IBS as it is for someone to not use the bathroom at all over an 8 hour shift
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
Bingo. Exactly wby its baffling anyone would argue against proof
peter11435
Well-Known Member
Do you think someone at Disney is documenting every time every cast members uses the bathroom? I’ll give you a hint… they don’t.
In your scenario are you suggesting that when a cast member as a guest approaches guest relations or calls to set up DAS that the agent responding should contact their area of work and ask their leaders about their bathroom habits?
“Sorry lady, your manager says you don’t poop enough at work to qualify”
Smiley/OCD
Well-Known Member
That plus exactly how SSA sends investigators out to snap pictures of allegedly disabled people shoveling snow, cleaning gutters, etc.
Fido Chuckwagon
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The facts of the case where it is being challenged are actually pretty egregious (on the part of the theme park operator), having not a whole lot to do with the verification piece of it.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Which may backfire (and by “may”…I mean a 100% chance)
Then it will be in the open and everyone will get a doctor who doesn’t care at all to write notes.
It would be a disaster
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Well…more workman’s comp…but yeah
Chi84
Premium Member
If I did, I apologize. But there's nothing in the ADA that expressly addresses accommodations that allow disabled persons to avoid waiting in lines. And people stand in line in a lot of places other than Disney, like festivals, ballparks, concerts, etc.
If no DOJ guidelines are forthcoming, the only way this accommodation gets addressed is through the courts. I'm just now familiarizing myself with the ADA, but I know very well how courts work. I can't think of a more time-consuming, inefficient and altogether less desirable way of coming up with a system than through a series of court cases.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That is true…
But if you look at it…a lot of wdw rides have about a 5’8” comfort limit…especially in magic kingdom
Angel Ariel
Well-Known Member
It's not being challenged at universal. It's being challenged at six flags, where it's been in use since 2020. IBCCES' accessibility card itself isn't just a few months old.
DryerLintFan
Premium Member
I’m 5’11” and i haven’t had a problem. Racking my brain trying to think which ones you mean. Maybe HM because the side seats have a lower ceiling?
Angel Ariel
Well-Known Member
The 6 flags case isn't arguing about proof itself. Summary from disability scoop:
"The complaint indicates that I.L. applied for and received an Individual Accessibility Card from IBCCES, but that on multiple visits to Six Flags Magic Mountain employees declined him accommodations because they said he didn’t look like he should qualify for the Attraction Access Program. In one instance, the lawsuit states that a park employee ripped up the Individual Accessibility Card and told I.L. that “he did ‘not look disabled enough’ to have the listed accommodations.”
Six Flags Sued Over Disability Access Policy
Six Flags is facing allegations of discrimination, with a lawsuit contending that the system its parks and several others use to provide disability accommodations violates the ADA.
www.disabilityscoop.com
Splash4eva
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I have not followed the law suit but if this is the only reason for the law suit then the decision should have no impact on Disneys decision imo. I cant picture Disney EVER denying someone who has been approved by a 3rd party saying hey sorry you dont look disabled enough go wait in that 120 minute line.The 6 flags case isn't arguing about proof itself. Summary from disability scoop:
"The complaint indicates that I.L. applied for and received an Individual Accessibility Card from IBCCES, but that on multiple visits to Six Flags Magic Mountain employees declined him accommodations because they said he didn’t look like he should qualify for the Attraction Access Program. In one instance, the lawsuit states that a park employee ripped up the Individual Accessibility Card and told I.L. that “he did ‘not look disabled enough’ to have the listed accommodations.”
Six Flags Sued Over Disability Access Policy
Six Flags is facing allegations of discrimination, with a lawsuit contending that the system its parks and several others use to provide disability accommodations violates the ADA.
Then that's an employee education problem - the park didn't deny issuing the card, individual employees took it upon themselves to ignore the card. But it still comes down to the park for not making it clear that employees could not make decisions about whether a guest had a legitimate reason as long as they had a valid card.The 6 flags case isn't arguing about proof itself. Summary from disability scoop:
"The complaint indicates that I.L. applied for and received an Individual Accessibility Card from IBCCES, but that on multiple visits to Six Flags Magic Mountain employees declined him accommodations because they said he didn’t look like he should qualify for the Attraction Access Program. In one instance, the lawsuit states that a park employee ripped up the Individual Accessibility Card and told I.L. that “he did ‘not look disabled enough’ to have the listed accommodations.”
Six Flags Sued Over Disability Access Policy
Six Flags is facing allegations of discrimination, with a lawsuit contending that the system its parks and several others use to provide disability accommodations violates the ADA.
Angel Ariel
Well-Known Member
I don't know all the facts of the case, but it's possible it was one of the "audits" 6 flags refers to in its accessibility page:
The only way for the final bolded section to happen would be in coordination with 6 Flags' Guest Relations. And the first bolded section makes it clear it is a 2 step program - get the IBCCES card, then go to 6 flags' guest relations to get their attraction access pass (which is the same process at Universal as well).
Smiley/OCD
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No, it happens QUITE A BIT with SSD too…
Fido Chuckwagon
Well-Known Member
True story, I have a dermatologist I use who I was talking to about a Disney trip. He volunteered out of nowhere that he could get write me a note that I had some sort of skin condition that prevented me from standing in the sun if I wanted. I politely declined.