Not the entire day, just the time they are doing rides. Shows, meals, shopping, etc they would be together. Many families with a young and older child do this all the time.
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New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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BalooChicago
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Oh, so I’ll just be apart from my family 90% of my day. Excellent.
If 90% of your time is doing rides in a normal 10 hour day that means that you are in a queue or ride for 9 hours and meals, bathrooms, shows, shopping and walking on the midway only add up to 1 hour of your day. The average non DAS guest does not do this, I bet it’s more like 50-60% of the day is riding and queuing and another example of how warped your DAS experience has been from other guests.
Angel Ariel
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When DD was younger it was at least a total of 3. But it seems this is a clear change now.
I think the problem is in the wording. This sounds like what we already do when the DAS user doesn't ride. I don't think this will be in place of DAS in some situations.
Angel Ariel
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Pleas read what I said:
"This would separate a family of 3 for virtually every attraction every day (barring the occasional short line)."
I did not say it would separate the family for the entire day. Meals and shopping aren't attractions. Shows are, yes, for those who can access them (they cause issues for us often). But I did not claim it would separate the family for the entire day as a whole as your comment states.
BalooChicago
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I had to Google when the “Express Transportation Option” was offered (anyone remember that?) to figure out when I last saw a show at WDW. We went to Lion King in 2017. On our last trip in March we spent, maybe, thirty minutes shopping (to get my son ears). Oh, I guess we did use bathrooms, that’s a good shared family time. The family that pees together… so maybe 85% of our day is spent on rides.
Jrb1979
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It will most likely be a combination of Rider Swap and Return to Line that replaces DAS for most.
BalooChicago
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If they don’t limit it somehow I could see a cottage industry of line holders starting up. Buy someone a ticket, and pay for them to wait in line.
Angel Ariel
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Let's be honest - those cheating now will do what they can to continue to find a way to cheat. And it will continue to hurt those with legitimate disabilities
I’m a park commando, and even back in the old Fastpass days where you could stack in the evening I don’t think I ever averaged that high, always had to deduct 90 min for a table service meal, 30 min for a QS meal, 45 min for the nighttime spectacular, 30 min for shopping/bathroom/snack and at least an hour for just walking, that’s 3 hours 15 min, so 67.5% of my day if I didn’t do any other show, and didnt hop. If I can’t hit 70% there is no way the “family from Denver” is hitting 85%.
Tha Realest
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Trust me when I tell you families without DAS are not able to spend 90% of their time in the parks experiencing just the rides.
Angel Ariel
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Most families with das aren't either if they are able to be in the park most of the day. however if their days are very short, they're spending less time in the park (ie not full days) - which is a reality for many also, then it is feasible to reach that number and it would not be representative of undue advantages over families without disabilities.
BalooChicago
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We rarely do TS, and practically never a “nighttime spectacular”. Let’s go with your numbers though - does it seem reasonable that a family with disabilities is now expected to spend 65% of their vacation apart?
TrainsOfDisney
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I’m guessing that many guests with disabilities do not spend 10-hour days in the parks. 90% of the time in the parks could indeed be spent on attractions if they are wanting to visit the top attractions they want to experience as a family while at Disney.
Again not ideal, but if you have ever gone with a child less then 42” and a child taller then 42” is an extremely common predicament to find yourself in a theme park. If it’s an acceptable way to do a theme park for the general population to do the park it is a reasonable accommodation under the ADA. I’m not going to argue this is not as ideal as DAS was, it’s not, but it’s a reasonable accommodation to have.
Do you think most guests experience all the the top attractions at the park? Is the family from Denver going to experience all the E tickets in the park on a regular day?
The answer is no, the average guests does 5-7 total attractions in a day. In the past Disney provided a premium experience for people with disabilities and it was commendable but it’s no longer able to do that as it’s significantly affecting other guests. The only thing Disney is obligated to do under the ADA is reasonable accommodations to allow a disabled guest to have a similar experience as an able guest. This is the heart of the matter.
Angel Ariel
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The difference, again, is that there are many attractions with no height requirements that such a family would be able to ride together throughout the day and throughout their trip.
For a family with a disabled child using this because their child is unable to wait in the physical queue, this will be for all rides save the select few in a day that have a very short wait. That is a fundamentally different experience than the family you're referring to.
Again this is a child that doesn't ride the ride. We already do this when the DAS individual doesn't ride. Let's see how this plays out, then we can come back to it and figure out what is wrong. I really don't think Disney would exempt someone physically able to ride a ride from riding.
There also plenty of rides that have <15 min waits throughout the day and will not need rider swap