This is based on a completely incorrect premise. Disney’s lawyers do not know exactly what they can do because there is no specific guidebook outlining business operations. There are some regulations and case law they can reference but that’s not something known with certainty. Even the ADA Standards for Accessible Design don’t cover every scenario.It is not about my opinions, Disney’s ADA lawyers know exactly what they can pass the legal test on in their specific situation and they should be aggressively holding to only that as that is their best defense against liability.
Going above those absolute requirements is only causing them more pain (and the other guests) and exposing them to lawsuits for their discretion and inconsistencies.
Any “good deed” here will be aggressively punished by these particular groups of people.
Maybe let’s wait to see what Disney does before discussing its legality.This is based on a completely incorrect premise. Disney’s lawyers do not know exactly what they can do because there is no specific guidebook outlining business operations. There are some regulations and case law they can reference but that’s not something known with certainty. Even the ADA Standards for Accessible Design don’t cover every scenario.
Rider switch being the alternative to DAS would be a deterrent for anyone who doesn’t truly need the accommodations. It’s difficult to use it to gain anything over a guest without accommodations since it forces the party through the attraction twice. I would assume people would not be using it as a precaution in the same way they use DAS, and instead would attempt the line first or buy Genie. It would both eliminate some of the overuse brought on by people who legitimately qualified but don’t need to use it all the time, as well as discourage people who lie to get it as there’s much less to gain.
You can technically use it like DAS to be in two places at once, but the “fee” to do so is higher. Someone in your group now needs to physically be in that line.
No. It seems that what is being offered is the main group waits in standby. When they come off the ride then the person with the disability plus one care-giver then go through the LL line.If rider switch is being used as one of the major accommodations in place of DAS as the Disneyland site indicates, then this issue still exists. Because the people waiting while the 1 person rides can stilll go ride an attraction with a shorter line and then go back and ride the first attraction with a LL.
Ummm...what if the 3rd/4th person are children? Just gonna leave a child baking in the sun while he takes his wife on a ride?I’m confused why this wouldn’t work - you would be with her the entire time, first waiting with her and then riding with her.
If there are more people in your party, they would all wait in the standby queue.
If it is just the two of you in the party, rider swap does not apply.
You’re correct. Rider switch is not part of DAS.Rider switch ain't it for DAS. Sorry. So families would not be able to enjoy rides together? DAS family now need to wait the full wait time + LL wait time for basically any ride (ok, maybe not for rides with 10-15 minute standby).
Ummm...what if the 3rd/4th person are children? Just gonna leave a child baking in the sun while he takes his wife on a ride?
People really need to think about what DAS is supposed to accomplish. Rider switch ain't it for DAS, sorry.
Cm doesn’t verify the child is too short because the child doesn’t have to be too short. Anyone can not ride the ride for any reason (including they don’t want to ride the ride), and the CM will grant a rider swap. I did a trip recently with my BIL’s family and his son was afraid of many rides (including basic dark rides we didn’t expect like Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway) so we used it in those situations.cm verifies child is too short,
It sounds like the new accommodations that are being proposed will be better for you then. A return to line pass should fix this for you in a way that even the Lightning Lanes cannot. In fact, without this fix, the lightning lanes would continue to get longer and longer as more and more people qualified for DAS making DAS ultimately useless, so this is should be a good thing for you in that regard as well. I still maintain that everyone should wait and see what Disney’s Return to Line Pass actually looks like before attacking the company and others. People were outraged when GAC changed to DAS as well and in the end nearly everyone ended up adapting to DAS just fine.Waiting in the LL can be up to 40 minutes. I have had to leave and come back a few times when the line got too long.
Did you ask them if there would be an alternative (other than DAS) to allow him to avoid outdoor queue’s? Similar to how some rides that are not wheelchair-accessible (ie: SM) have alternatives for those in mobility devices. That might be worth exploring. Maybe you could even get return times for rides with outdoor queues instead of for all rides.He is unable to que in the sun
The e mail I got back said & I quote. This is the standard e mail being sent regarding DAS ( I'm guessing to avoid questions) please be sure to sign up for the call up to 30 days before y our vacation. I did see that was changing to 120 daysDid you ask them if there would be an alternative (other than DAS) to allow him to avoid outdoor queue’s? Similar to how some rides that are not wheelchair-accessible (ie: SM) have alternatives for those in mobility devices. That might be worth exploring. Maybe you could even get return times for rides with outdoor queues instead of for all rides.
Epic Universe is not going to be a virtual queue park. Universal did at one point intend to go that direction for the entirety of the Universal Orlando Resort but their were too many issues with Race Through New York, Fast & Furious: Supercharged and, most importantly, Volcano Bay.Yep. As well as what Universal tried with Jimmy Fallon and Fast and the Furious. But neither of those rides were popular enough to stress test a new system.
I’m curious what they have planned for Epic Universe, as I expect Super Nintendo World is going to change the calculus somewhat on who wants to be in a Universal theme park. The facial recognition technology they are testing for ticket entry, could potentially be used to help address access for everyone, by using your face to checkin somewhere but wait elsewhere or at least not in tight switchback lines. And who know what else they have planned.
This sounds like it would be a deterrent but would it actually be offered as a viable alternative to DAS considering the DAS user would essentially have to separate from their party (or part of their party) for 2/3 of the day?
Are you joking? DAS DO wait in line. How are we this far in and some of you still don't realize that? Waiting in the LL can be up to 40 minutes. I have had to leave and come back a few times when the line got too long. I don't know how any of you can speak to other people's experiences as if you are there with us. The problem is not the waiting, it is the EASY and QUICK access to the restroom. Not sure why some of you struggle so much to comprehend this.
I don't know why you are hung up on the People mover, it is one of the few rides that I go on but it is not like I sit there all day riding it. Some of you are getting really nasty with your posts verging on personal attacks. Sad how some of you treat those with legitimate disabilities. We just want to be able to have a halfway decent vacation. The rest of our lives revolve around our medical issues.
We don’t need to see what is done to know that there is not actually a very specific set of guidelines for businesses to follow as was being implied.Maybe let’s wait to see what Disney does before discussing its legality.
The evolutionary process from GAC to original DAS to this new version of DAS seems to be slowly whittling out certain disabilities.People were outraged when GAC changed to DAS as well and in the end nearly everyone ended up adapting to DAS just fine.
That's what I find so sad about the idea of using the rider switch as a "viable replacement for DAS." Families are coming to be together.This sounds like it would be a deterrent but would it actually be offered as a viable alternative to DAS considering the DAS user would essentially have to separate from their party (or part of their party) for 2/3 of the day?
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