BalooChicago
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I’m guessing the wait for SGE is well in excess of eleven minutes.
That is only part of it. Many seem to not understand that Disney has til now gone over above accommodating those with disabilities. I get many are frustrated with the changes but it had to happen.I thought it was those abusing the system that was affecting other guests not those with disabilities?
There are so many people who have unjustly taken advantage of this system, to the detriment of those who truly need it, so, unfortunately this was an inevitable outcome.
This is without a doubt something that should have been tested out 1st. With basically everyone having a phone texting someone you are “close” is not an issue. Also if your party got to the front and the DAS user was not there yet you could easily have them wait on the side for say a 5 minute grace period to ride alone. Problem solved. Its a win win for everyone. To me there were plenty of options Disney could have easily tried they just didnt. Now with that being said. I would agree on a case by case basis this hard “rule” could be adjusted but to me have it a rule to deter anyone initially and go from there.If the DAS applicant knew the others in their group (if more than one attendant) has to actually stand in the standby line for an hour for Peter Pan, the fraud issue and incentive would instantly be significantly reduced and “DAS tours” would immediately end.
I don’t know anybody that wanted to pretend they had a three year old with them to be able to experience what my wife and I were doing during our child swap trips.
If there had been a “magic pass” that would have allowed us to not have to wait through the entire standby line for every attraction, yeah, people would have lied to get it.
Exactly. Something nearby with a short wait, yeah, we would pop in. Having to travel for said short line to then travel back? Not feasible. We'd do a bathroom break or snack break instead. Or, back in the day when streetmosphere was a thing, enjoy that. Sadly WDW has sucked the life out of that. Part of why I prefer DLR.To be honest, I really would not trust the app, if I happen to be walking past an attraction that had a low standby posted AND it looked like the queue was short, we would jump in.
Many of us have actually acknowledged this and the need for change - but it's a long thread and it gets lost, and tbh it's exhausting to keep repeating itThat is only part of it. Many seem to not understand that Disney has til now gone over above accommodating those with disabilities. I get many are frustrated with the changes but it had to happen.
YepThere is a difference between ADA mandated facility accessibility requirements and “I can’t stand in amusement ride lines in the sun so I choose to go to an amusement park with outside lines in the sun and demand the amusement park figure that out for me”.
as I have appreciated your input . And I do want to clarify I am trying to see it from the macro level, and often find the personal examples more clear to understand - so it's more a combination of both than one or the other if that makes sense?I have appreciated your input into this conversation, but I think when those (like me) supporting the changes make a point, some (like you) who have been using DAS compare it to your own needs and respond as such. That’s totally understandable to me, but I think there’s a disconnect. I can’t speak for others, but as for me, I’m seeing it from a. Macro level while those who are upset with the changes are looking at it from a personal and very micro level. I don’t pretend to know your (or anyone’s) personal situation but you’ve shared a lot and I would be stunned if you, or the gentleman with the wife who is a disabled veteran, weren’t able to continue enjoying the parks in the same way (meaning you will still qualify for DAS in the future). You are parties of 2 or 3 where other accommodations are not in the realm of possibilities. There will always be those families where there is no other option, and historically, Disney has catered to them with grace and empathy.
These new rules are presented as the hardline, textbook requirements, in my opinion. Their presentation appears to be designed to immediately cull the families who are outright cheating or taking advantage. Disney doesn’t intend to force the families, like yours, into an experience that is inferior to any guest.
1 - because they want to experience Disney World.To your hypothetical, someone taking the position that they have trouble being outside in the heat begs two questions: 1) why would you go to the busiest theme park in the world that’s also in Florida, and 2) what would you be doing while not in that line?
Again, the standard is reasonable accommodations to guests. Do you think Disney has an obligation to protect you from the environment and elements, and that providing such accommodation would be viewed as objectively reasonable?1 - because they want to experience Disney World.
2 - spending time in the shade, or at an indoor location.
Question: A party of 4 will now be split up? Both coasts? DAS/autism
If 90% of your time is doing rides in a normal 10 hour day that means that you are in a queue or ride for 9 hours and meals, bathrooms, shows, shopping and walking on the midway only add up to 1 hour of your day. The average non DAS guest does not do this, I bet it’s more like 50-60% of the day is riding and queuing and another example of how warped your DAS experience has been from other guests.
I agree but those are typically right after a breakdown when everyone has rushed back to the ride. It is not the norm. But Disney is unpredictable and things happen. We all adjust as needed at the time.A 40 minute LL wait is a problem, whether it’s for DAS returns or paid line skip guest satisfaction. Theoretically, this is why changes that are big enough to move the needle should help everyone. Someone who cannot wait in a lengthy queue and has been assigned a DAS should absolutely not be faced with a 40 minute queue upon return.
This sounds familiar.Can I offer up a potential "solution" in this thread that might help?
Why can't Disney invest in a "create your own experience" type feature where in your My Disney Experience app, you can select what rides you want to go on and what times. So, it'd be like a reservation system similar to the DAS as it stands now that way you can do what you want to do and go back to the ride at the time you reserved. It would a "virtual queue", but not the virtual queue with boarding groups. So, an example would be:
You have a family with an autistic child and a grandparent with an oxygen tank. Let's say that the child has to have medication between 1pm and 3pm and the grandparent has to charge the oxygen tank between 5 and 6pm. You can block your experiences around those times so you're not shoehorned into waiting in line.
Another example would be:
A family of four is just going up for the day and wants to hit a couple of rides in the morning and then have lunch/dinner later. They can go into their app, create their experience and select up to 3 rides and then go make reservations later on based on the times they selected for their rides.
Disney is probably already doing this with Lightning Lane, but instead of charging $$$ per person per day for LL passes, this would be rolled into the cost of admission (day pass, park hopper pass, annual pass) because when I saw how much a day pass was per park - I about lost my friggin' mind. I had ZERO idea it was that much (almost $200 for a day pass for one park?).
I don't want this thread to go off-topic, but I'm interested in hearing the feedback to this type of "solution" that Disney could look into.
Appreciate the sounding board, folks!
This all sounds great, but would involve Disney investing money to improve the guest experience.Can I offer up a potential "solution" in this thread that might help?
Why can't Disney invest in a "create your own experience" type feature where in your My Disney Experience app, you can select what rides you want to go on and what times. So, it'd be like a reservation system similar to the DAS as it stands now that way you can do what you want to do and go back to the ride at the time you reserved. It would a "virtual queue", but not the virtual queue with boarding groups. So, an example would be:
You have a family with an autistic child and a grandparent with an oxygen tank. Let's say that the child has to have medication between 1pm and 3pm and the grandparent has to charge the oxygen tank between 5 and 6pm. You can block your experiences around those times so you're not shoehorned into waiting in line.
Another example would be:
A family of four is just going up for the day and wants to hit a couple of rides in the morning and then have lunch/dinner later. They can go into their app, create their experience and select up to 3 rides and then go make reservations later on based on the times they selected for their rides.
Disney is probably already doing this with Lightning Lane, but instead of charging $$$ per person per day for LL passes, this would be rolled into the cost of admission (day pass, park hopper pass, annual pass) because when I saw how much a day pass was per park - I about lost my friggin' mind. I had ZERO idea it was that much (almost $200 for a day pass for one park?).
I don't want this thread to go off-topic, but I'm interested in hearing the feedback to this type of "solution" that Disney could look into.
Appreciate the sounding board, folks!
I understand that there is abuse. But deal with the abuse then. From what cast members on here have said, it sounds like the majority of the abuse is from other cast members. Maybe Disney should start internally first and see what that gets them.At the same time you and others struggle to understand the problem DAS is causing as it's currently structured. You can't have the majority of LL space taken up by DAS.
Yes they need to accommodate those with disabilities but at the same time they also need to keep those without disabilities happy too.
There is cast member abuse. It is not even close to the majority.I understand that there is abuse. But deal with the abuse then. From what cast members on here have said, it sounds like the majority of the abuse is from other cast members. Maybe Disney should start internally first and see what that gets them.
I am curious is it guest size or re rides causing this or a combo of both because less than 10% of guests having DAS is NOT a high number.At the same time you and others struggle to understand the problem DAS is causing as it's currently structured. You can't have the majority of LL space taken up by DAS.
Yes they need to accommodate those with disabilities but at the same time they also need to keep those without disabilities happy too.
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