Nasty incident outside Club Cool at Epcot tonight

[ford91exploder]

Never said it hadn't.

It's like a pub crawl in Blackpool.

And rowdy as hell.

But something has to prop up the parks profits.

^^^ THIS ^^^

 

[Otterhead]

^^^ THIS ^^^

...is a lie.

 

[ford91exploder]

If you want to avoid a crowd, then yes, avoid Epcot on weekend evenings during F&W.

Ford, you know I love ya, but I gotta disagree on this one. You make it seem dangerous to be there. Is it crowded? Yes. Can it get a bit loud with random people dancing in the walkways or groups of people occupying large areas? Yes. But it's not dangerous. I have no problem walking around with my young nephews or niece and the most I ever had to do is say, "excuse us" so we could get by.

Crowded and loud does not neccesarilly mean dangerous.

I don't find hanging out with drunks I don't know personally FUN, Others may have a different view but I tend to avoid places and people where alcohol is consumed to excess. It's different at a house party where everyone knows each other and all the car keys are rounded up and secured so no one gets hurt or can hurt others.

 

[marni1971]

...is a lie.

Please don't call me a liar. Thanks.

 

[Captain Chaos]

I'm sorry that your visits to Food & Wine have been so bizarrely, unusually poor. They aren't the norm.

Or maybe they are the norm and what you experienced isn't?

It is funny you call @marni1971 a liar. He is probably the only one on this forum who dares speaks the truth and won't sugar coat things about Disney (or Uni or any other theme park) because of fear it hurts the heads of fanbois who think everything is perfect in Disney, Uni or anywhere.

If anything, Marni is fair and balanced, unlike many other members here.

If marni says it is rowdy, it is rowdy. Oh BTW, I have experienced the rowdiness too. Many more times then not. Epcot becomes Drunkytown during food and wine. That is fact, and one of the reasons I will never visit during Food and Wine again.

 

[ford91exploder]

...is a lie.

I don't know if you are from Burbank or Celebration place, I have been to EPCOT many times in 30 years and I've seen more than a few fists fly because of intoxication.

 

[Otterhead]

It is funny you call @marni1971 a liar. He is probably the only one on this forum who dares speaks the truth and won't sugar coat things about Disney (or Uni or any other theme park) because of fear it hurts the heads of fanbois who think everything is perfect in Disney, Uni or anywhere.

If anything, Marni is fair and balanced, unlike many other members here.

If marni says it is rowdy, it is rowdy. Oh BTW, I have experienced the rowdiness too. Many more times then not. Epcot becomes Drunkytown during food and wine. That is fact, and one of the reasons I will never visit during Food and Wine again.

That's nice. Most people would disagree with you as well as marni. If that makes his posts "true" and mine "false", then I'm clearly in the wrong place.

 

[Captain Chaos]

That's nice. Most people would disagree with you as well as marni. If that makes his posts "true" and mine "false", then I'm clearly in the wrong place.

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

Most people, you mean Disney fans who can't see past their nose? I'll side with Marni any day then be on the side you are on. I live in the real world, where do you live? Surely in a Disney created fantasyland.

 

[Communicore]

I don't know if you are from Burbank or Celebration place, I have been to EPCOT many times in 30 years and I've seen more than a few fists fly because of intoxication.

I've never really seen the fights and all that but I have seen the bad behaviors, like people hitting each other (in the same group) for no reason other than for fun, you know things like that, but no real violence.

 

[Otterhead]

I live in the real world, where do you live? Surely in a Disney created fantasyland.

Well, no, I live in a world where I've been to F&W a half-dozen times for a week each time, and never experienced anything like what a few people here are having fun imagining and exaggerating for effect. I guess some folks really, really, enjoy being as negative as possible about a family-friendly park.

 

[Otterhead]

I have seen the bad behaviors, like people hitting each other (in the same group) for no reason other than for fun

Me too -- they were mobs of 16 year old cheerleaders from South America screaming, throwing things, harassing guests, and being rowdy. In every single park.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Well, no, I live in a world where I've been to F&W a half-dozen times for a week each time, and never experienced anything like what a few people here are having fun imagining and exaggerating for effect. I guess some folks really, really, enjoy being as negative as possible about a family-friendly park.

Nah... I'm not one who enjoys being negative for the sake of being negative, though yes there are a handful here that do. And being here for as long as I have been here on this site, and following Marni since day 1, I have come to realize he speaks the truth and won't sugar coat it cause people get hurt too easily when Disney or Uni or anywhere has any negative light shone down on it.

I've been to Food and Wine plenty myself. I have seen with my own two eyes the rowdiness associated with the drunkards who visit Food and Wine. Is it everyone? No, just like not every one in a bar gets sloshed to the point of not knowing where the heck they are. But the rowdiness is there. To deny it is silly. To deny it makes you look foolish. Make it look like you live in a fantasy world clouded with pixie dust. There is no exaggerating on my part.

And you think, cause the park is "family friendly" means drunks can't and won't abuse things during Drunkicon? Really? Being Disney/family friendly has nothing to do with anything. Put booze in front of people, and many will abuse it. Out of those who abuse it, many will become rowdy the more they drink. To deny this is just plain idiotic.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Me too -- they were mobs of 16 year old cheerleaders from South America screaming, throwing things, harassing guests, and being rowdy. In every single park.

They have an excuse. They are teenage cheerleaders. People who drink become rowdy due to excessive drinking (something Disney encourages for more and more profit to their bottom line), not being an immature high schooler who has a little freedom from their parents for a few days in a theme park.

Also, I have yet to come across rowdy teenage cheerleaders who yell obscene things at people, harass them, or get violent. The worst I can say for the cheerleaders is their loud obnoxious cheering in the middle of a queue is the most annoying thing I have ever encountered.

But yea, let's equate teenage girls who are cheerleaders to adult drunks full of booze. Yep, that is a great comparison.

 

[Otterhead]

To deny it is silly. To deny it makes you look foolish. Make it look like you live in a fantasy world clouded with pixie dust. To deny this is just plain idiotic.

No, not at all. It means I had a different experience than you did. It's a pity that you and marni both experienced rowdy, out-of-control, unacceptable behavior. I'm glad I haven't, and from the posts here, tons of others haven't, either. But proclaiming it "Drunkicon" and insisting that F&W is always "nothing but a Blackpool pub crawl" assumes that everyone will always experience drunken, out-of-control mobs that are unfit for bringing a kid around, which is simply untrue. Should people not bring their kids to Animal Kingdom, which has a huge, popular outdoor bar? Or to Fantasmic, which has a ring of kiosks selling big beers and cocktails as you enter?

 

[some guy]

lol this thread is still going?

 

[Otterhead]

But yea, let's equate teenage girls who are cheerleaders to adult drunks full of booze. Yep, that is a great comparison.

It is, actually, because the point that you and others are making is that mobs of drunks at Epcot ruin everyone's fun by being obnoxious, yes? But when every single park at various times of the year has multiple 50+ person groups of teenagers being objectively obnoxious, I don't see how that's A-OK. This year I saw a huge group of them throwing things and screaming as they ran down the central corridor of Epcot, causing people in wheelchairs and parents with kids to get out of the way as best they could. It was unsafe.

 

[Captain Chaos]

No, not at all. It means I had a different experience than you did. It's a pity that you and marni both experienced rowdy, out-of-control, unacceptable behavior. I'm glad I haven't, and from the posts here, tons of others haven't, either. But proclaiming it "Drunkicon" and insisting that F&W is always "nothing but a Blackpool pub crawl" assumes that everyone will always experience drunken, out-of-control mobs that are unfit for bringing a kid around, which is simply untrue. Should people not bring their kids to Animal Kingdom, which has a huge, popular outdoor bar? Or to Fantasmic, which has a ring of kiosks selling big beers and cocktails as you enter?

Again, just because you didn't doesn't mean it is the norm. The truth is, many people use World Showcase as a pub crawl, but moreso during Food and Wine, when things become much more rowdy than usual, more than likely due to the increase of the number of guests. You may hit it lucky walking through World Showcase and not experience something during a particular day. Doesn't mean something rowdy didn't happen that day. You just didn't experience it. You cannot take your experience and say it is the norm. The actual reality is, people get much more rowdy from the over abuse of alcohol during Food and Wine than during any other time of the year at Epcot.

Bringing up the other areas in other theme parks which serve alcohol and asking if people should bring their kids there is misdirection. No, people shouldn't stop bringing their kids to AK or DHS or Epcot. No one is saying that. At least I'm not. What is being said is, during F&W, there are many more drunks in Epcot, and much more rowdy behavior in that park during F&W. Much of the rowdy behavior has been witnessed. You try to push them off because you hate to hear anything negative in Disney. Your previous posts and responses to people prove you have a hard time dealing with the realities of Disney. Which is why I say you live in a Disney pixie dust filled fantasy land.

To say no one ever experiences rowdy behavior during F&W is just idiotic. Many people have witnessed it, experienced it, hopefully never been a part of it. And that is great you never did. But to disregard the facts presented by trustworthy people such as Marni makes you look like a fool. And I'm sure you aren't.

Why is it hard for you to understand and accept that rowdy behavior increases dramatically during food and wine? Why is it hard for you to realize many people get way too sloshed as they pub crawl during F&W?

 

[Captain Chaos]

It is, actually, because the point that you and others are making is that mobs of drunks at Epcot ruin everyone's fun by being obnoxious, yes? But when every single park at various times of the year has multiple 50+ person groups of teenagers being objectively obnoxious, I don't see how that's A-OK. This year I saw a huge group of them throwing things and screaming as they ran down the central corridor of Epcot, causing people in wheelchairs and parents with kids to get out of the way as best they could. It was unsafe.

Last time I checked, teenage cheerleaders don't send people to the hospital with injuries cause they yelled GIVE ME A B in the middle of a queue. Meanwhile, rowdy drunks can, and do, get violent, which can lead to someone going to the hospital. Though, I have never witnessed violence myself. Notice, I have said I experienced ROWDY behavior, not violent behavior.

I'd be more offended if a rowdy drunkard cursed up a storm in front of me, yelling obscenities or explicit nonsense at females than a few 16 year old girls cheering their school. Annoying, yes. But not to the point that drunks get.

And if you saw what those cheerleaders were doing, then report it to security. It would be Disney's fault for not stopping them from the misbehaving. They would deserve to be punished. So no, throwing things at people are not okay. If anyone was causing an unsafe environment, they need to be escorted off property.. IMMEDIATELY!!!!!

 

[Dubman]

I'd hazard to say that Food & Wine aside, @marni1971 is quite right that there are a few ways Epcot has fallen. Not that it can't rise up again...

Specifically for Food & Wine, I can remember a time -- probably ten years ago or so -- when there were free "tasting" presentations during the festival. All you had to do was reserve a spot. I went to one such event on a Sunday afternoon at the Rose & Crown courtyard. Groups of four or five were seated at tables that had a bucket of five different beers in the center of the table -- the drill was to listen to the presenter discuss a particular brew then open a bottle and pour out a taste, then share the rest of the bottle with your table, then go on to the next brew, and so on.

I remember those days quite well.. These are all from 10/2005.

Even my wife, who normally does not drink beer, enjoyed the seminar. Think it was sponsered by inbev..

Outdoor free tastings

One of my favorites below.. The Australian Wine Walkabout! Again, FREE

Free wine tastings with decent pours!

Even Sam Adams had a free tasting/beer seminar!

Most of our trips have been during the Food & Wine festival.. In recent years(At least the last 3) you have had to pay for any tastings you want to do. Not sure of the exact year this changed.

Those were definately the days!! So much about the festival has changed, but we still love to visit that time of year.. Unfortunately since some people are not able to exhibit self control, you do have some that cause a disturbance, but IMHO, they are in the minority.

That being said.. If you go to the Food & Wine Festival, or now the Flower & Garden Festival, and you are looking for drunk obnoxious people?? Chances are you will find them if you look hard enough..

BTW... Our son was born 7/2006...

 

[Otterhead]

To say no one ever experiences rowdy behavior during F&W is just idiotic.
Why is it hard for you to understand and accept that rowdy behavior increases dramatically during food and wine? Why is it hard for you to realize many people get way too sloshed as they pub crawl during F&W?

I didn't say they didn't. Of course there's rowdy behavior -- as I said, I've seen it every single time I've been to the German pavilion, F&W or not. And I said myself that I've seen people in dumb foam sombreros yelling SAKE BOMB! as they drank sake at Japan.

Sure, people get drunk if they decide to be stupid and 'drink around the world', and I'm sure that you and marni and others have experienced dumb, drunk people there. Isolated incidents like those are pretty common at all theme parks that serve alcohol.

But implying that THAT is the norm for all visitors, that it's unsafe and unacceptable for kids to be there, and that all of World Showcase becomes a 'Blackpool pub crawl' for everyone who visits, is untrue as well as foolish. That's what I'm saying, really.