PhotoDave219
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Yup...you know where to find me...up the road in Diagon Alley sipping my Butterbeer. Riding rides without a reservation and eating at Mythos without an ADR required with my hot, redheaded wife.
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Yup...you know where to find me...up the road in Diagon Alley sipping my Butterbeer. Riding rides without a reservation and eating at Mythos without an ADR required with my hot, redheaded wife.
Well that es me off. The irony of my situation will haunt me.I've honestly tried hard to not take anything on here too seriously. Of course no hard feelings. You've basically said I don't say things to offend people. I do try not to, though fail at it from time to time.
I haven't gotten caught up on the 18 pages, yet (maybe it will be more by the time I finish the article)...but, this is a better place to post my random thoughts as I read through it. A lot of it is just random opinions and thoughts of mine, so...sorry so long.
1) To the author, I really enjoy your writing style. It keeps me going from paragraph to paragraph. In an era where bloggers/online "reporters" tend not to write very well at all, this was quite refreshing! Thanks for posting.
2) I take issue with this (not saying it's not true, but it is a silly conclusion on their part).
"We were failing to recognize key consumer trends that were starting to influence how people interacted with brands," says one former executive. Inside the company, Disney World became known as a "burning platform." As the former executive explains, "If we miss out on that next generation of guests, suddenly our burning platform is fully on fire—panic mode."
I'm not sure Disney has any idea how much of a hold they already have on that next Generation then. When I was growing up, it was stupid to want to go to Disney after a certain age (ahem...teens). Now? Yeah...ask someone 4 years older than me (36) and they think it's stupid. Ask kids in their early to mid 20s who have or will be starting families soon...yeah... And, it has nothing to do with "apps" and "magicbands"...
Cons and social media had more to do with it than much else.
3) I'm not sure this is correct...
"The park was filled with complications, such as a tiered ticketing system with wonky rules."
Huh? That was decades upon decades ago. There have been KTTW cards for quite a while, and it's been a VERY long time since A-E ticket systems were used. I don't recall the year offhand, but it had to be no later than the early to mid 80s when that ticketing scheme was dropped at WDW.
4) I'm not sure I agree with this either...
"The rest of Disney is younger, more progressive—risk takers—but [Parks] is not," explains one former high-level company leader with strong ties to NGE. "It’s built to be industrial and resilient, for consistency and volume; it’s not built for change."
Yeah...but that's not where it started, nor is it the history of the parks. Just look into Disneyland's history of change, not to mention WDW (4 major theme parks, one every 7 - 10 years, for 3 decades, and then BAM...pretty much nothing of any scale and scope for the past 15 years...though that tide is shifting with NFL and Avatarland, I wholly admit...but that's where the fan gripes came from, and, it's arguable, perhaps, that Iger and Co began to come around that plastic wristbands don't beat amazing experiences). It's the fallacious thinking that makes executives think that new rides and experiences are worth less than plastic wristbands and iPhone apps.
5) "Parks has tried big, transformational efforts before, but most failed because the culture killed them," the former high-level leader says.
Then, maybe, that's where your core issue is...
6) A character like Goofy, with access to real-time guest data, could even wish happy birthday to a child without prompting. For years, birthday boys and girls had worn a little button on their clothing to get such recognition.
- and -
"old-school inefficiencies like birthday buttons."
This...just makes me so frustrated I could claw my eyes out with the overly ambitious and short-sighted nature of the concept. Yes, and those buttons, on a six year old's chest, and they are, generally, proud of them as they march around with them on their little chests. Also, the fact it's a cheap trinket for Disney to give out, but one that is free, is something that parents look on as a good show. I'm willing to wager those buttons don't get thrown out and make it into scrapbooks years later. I know I still have my kid's "first visit" button, and it means a heck of a lot more to me than her third plastic wristband. The double service is that they prompt not just Goofy (who can't speak in costume, though they are playing with Talking Mickey, I don't think he's become a full time thing at the M&Gs yet), but ALL cast members to wish them a happy birthday or first visit. My arguments are not placed in some conservative, obstructionist mindset. It's that this is such backwards thinking!
Ok, gonna take a break with "chapter 2"
Again, a shout out to the author, I think it's neat how you broke the story up into "chapters" and named them after Disney rides. Good show! But, I need to take a break for a few minutes and grab a snack.
REALLY enjoying this!
Yep.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/official-universal-orlando/id878217080?mt=8
And, they aren't as reliant as Disney (for obvious logistical reasons) on wifi as the local data/cellular networks are far more available. Hard to find "low signal" at Uni, as I recall.
Zing! Hahahaha, well played!On my families trip last June (just after this announcement) I was unable to access the WiFi at UNI. It showed but wouldn't connect. Then again, it's a Comcast product so no real surprise with the bad service.
Are you saying that the article did indeed cover topics such as disgruntled CM's or guests who had real issues with the system? Otherwise I dont see why you would be so offended at the idea of his, or anybodies criticism of the articles objectivity.Asking questions, no. Blatantly calling it a puff piece? Yes.
You've asked questions, Spirit. Others have made accusations. I wasn't refferring to your Royal Spirited Self, considering that you hadn't responded when I posted the message you quoted. I will say now, though, that he is a journalist, and Fast Company is so reputable (and at times controversial) that questioning their journalistic integrity really is something that makes me wonder...
I ain't done yet. But, I'm bored, and was posting these in another thread where they don't belong. It's basically stream of consciousness as I read the (quite well written, another shout out to the author) article.
Anyhow, snack in hand, off to chapter 2 (3?).
1) "Rasulo would respond, "Well, we're heading down this path. This is the direction we're going.""
So...in other words, this got ramrodded down everyone's throat...including those who have a much better view of what it really takes to make it work and what impact it would or could have. I find it difficult that every single objection was inappropriate or simply to (ahem, excuse the term) "protect one's castle").
But, regarding "protecting the castle"...the next few paragraphs make me want to scream.
2) Insiders say the Frog team found the internal struggles withering. They faced opposition from a whiny corporate force: Disney’s Whinegineers.
There, fixed that for you. Cause, that's how they were treated.
3) "The Frog industrial-design team really ****ed off the Imagineers, stepping all over their toes and fighting turf battles," explains one insider.
Defending the integrity of the Park experience, what separates it from a churn and burn Six Flags thrill experience, or even, frankly Universal, at it's core WAS what I'm gonna quote next, so...
4) "Imagineers argued that the uniformity of the access points would disrupt the spirit of their uniquely stylized attractions. For example, seeing Mickey’s face on every post would be disconcerting, since there were wide swaths of the park that had nothing to do with the Mouse at all. Ditto for those waist-high digital posts; what business did something looking like a shiny modern mailbox have in the foreground of a medieval castle? The Imagineers preferred designs that would be immersed in the theme of each Disney World ride: futuristic ones for Tomorrowland, Wild West–style ones in Frontierland, and so forth. Their preferences reflected their deepest goal, which is to protect the sanctity of children’s imaginations as they engage with real-life fairy tales at the park. Says veteran Imagineer Joe Rohde, "If I’m supposed to be living with fairies, fairies don’t have iPhones or MagicBands."
Just read that. My respect for Rohde just shot up ten-million percent.
5) "The Frog team was aghast. They felt the Imagineers’ criticism went against basic user-experience design."
That's because it wasn't based on the sort of "UI" they were trying to design. Was their design and choices based on solid good UI design? Yes. But, how would you feel if Skyrim looked the same as Mario Kart because...well...UI. Right? RIGHT?
Flipping dummies didn't get it. Basically what they were doing was slapping you out of the "immersive imagination experience" and putting a "tutorial mode" where you get to see "Press X to Jump" and "Press Y to run" with the trademarked button graphics from a PS controller on them.
So, was Frog "wrong"? Nope. But they certainly were far from "right", imho.
Ok, I need another snack.
OK, I read the piece and it was quite enjoyable/entertaining.
No, it wasn't 'just another' PR piece for TWDC. So, score one for Austin Carr and Fast Company!
''Bob Iger wanted approval'' ... I do love that lede.
I don't want to repeat what others have said, especially since there are some great posts from @JediMasterMatt and @hopemax that enter some of the territory I wanted to cover that do a fine job.
I would like to ask again if Fast Company takes placed and/or paid content? (No, Jake, I'm not suggesting this story is either ... just trying to determine a full view of the publication as it's not regular reading for me and I doubt it is for most people here. And, yes, my understanding is that, in general, it is a pro-business pub.)
There were things I liked and things I took issue with, but instead of doing a pros and cons, since I am pressed for time this evening, I'll just list things as they came to me. You can determine for yourself whether they fit as a pro or con.
I was amused by the line ''It is not the story Disney wants you to hear.'' ... Coming in the wake of Mrs. Bob Iger's, Willow Bay's, role in censoring an Op-Ed in the HuffPo (no, @sshindel , I don't find censorship funny and doubt you would, if it happened to be your voice that was silenced.) entitled 'Disney CEO Fumbles Entry to China' by a member of Sumner Redstone's clan of crazies, no less, I don't for a second believe your story was something Disney doesn't want read.
If that were the case, then it wouldn't likely be in print and Disney certainly wouldn't have made folks like Tom Staggs available for one-on-ones. You have described an extraordinary level of cooperation coming from Burbank and Glendale and Orlando. And there's no way Nick Franklin would have ever been allowed to speak to you on the record without explicit consent from Disney. I know how those contracts are structured.
I recall the ex-O-Town Sentinel beat writer (Jason Garcia) practically begging for cooperation in writing about NGE and he got absolutely none and the indepth story he was trying to write never saw the light of day.
When your source says, ''You don't mess with the Mouse.'', I do believe that is a bit of what I am describing.
So, rest assured, tonight that Zenia Mucha isn't working to smear you and destroy your career. Disney is likely crowing about the story you wrote, even if some of it does rise to legit, and fair criticism of the company, its style and, indeed, this project.
I recall you mentioned early on that there was a sense of ''palpable excitement'' in that 2011 meeting when NGE was fully presented. I assume you weren't present, so I'm guessing that was just a bit of hyperbolic expression or were you retelling what others told you?
I know others, including the highly respected @ParentsOf4, have warned about making any pronouncements about the 'success' (or failure) of NGE, yet you proclaim it a success early in your story. I'm guessing that's simply your opinion based on what you saw, heard and experienced because you can't judge the success of a project based on data that is incomplete at best. Disney has been very coy at saying much of anything about this over the last three years.
I liked how you focused on the issues that Disney said it was trying to solve with this program (none of which actually included adding major new attractions or entertainment to its parks). That was absolutely the genesis of NGE '' How do we make more money without building new things, while improving Guest satisfaction scores?''
That's where it all came from.
High cost was a metric you mentioned, but if it was an issue a decade ago, then you should have mentioned what NGE has done for costs of a WDW vacation. What are prices like in 2015 versus 2005 or 2008 or 2010? I think you know they have gone in one direction only: through the roof.
I know it is tough (from experience) writing something like you did with people refusing to go on the record, however, you run the risk of people tuning out when 3/4ers of your quotes are from unnamed sources.
I know as a tech writer that you are coming from that angle, but I had to laugh when you called Be Our Guest ''radical'' ... I guess it is if you like waiting and baking in the sun to get into a fast food restaurant for lunch. But all I could think was ''there's nothing radical about the lousy French Onion Soup or serving cupcakes as the only dessert option!' Yes, the roast beef sandwich is tasty, but those Cockerell fries (ask if the community if you want to know) are awful.
You say that Iger ... or present him as someone who only wanted NGE for WDW, but that fundamentally goes against how it was sold to everyone from the BoD to Wall Street to fans to CMs. It was sold as a revolutionary system that would start at WDW and then roll out world-wide (well, except for Tokyo, where Disney doesn't own the parks at all and the compant that does wants no part of this ... or China where there are unique hurdles) ... but certainly Anaheim and Paris were going to get the treatment. That talk died down years ago, but it doesn't change the fact that this project may not have gotten approval as simply a WDW-exclusive. And that's what it seems destined to be.
I have to ask where those Steve Jobs quotes came from? Was it written in the minutes of a meeting or in a memo? Or was it relayed to you by Staggs or Rasulo or Franklin (who needed work the last time I checked)
as quoting a dead guy when you aren't privy to what he said is a bit dangerous, IMHO.
I thought as the story meandered on that you made some great points about MM+ not delivering on personalization. I almost took it like Staggs (why does every writer have to talk about his healthy lifestyle? Seriously, it means nothing to a story like this and simply adds word count!) snapped at you about Guests loving those B-Day buttons.
It was that personalization aspect that sold the company, largely, on moving ahead because the proponents of NGE saw it as a way to increase revenue. All these things ... from animated window displays that interacted with MAGIC Bands ...like your 8-year-old likes dinosaurs and when he passes a window in DinoLand, a diorama comes alive and does things and you wind up spending $125 on toys you weren't planning on ... or your daughter is a big fan of Beauty and the Beast and when she passes under one of the new Castle archways, the theme from the movie plays and the lighting changes ... or when you're tucking the kids into bed at the Poly, Lilo and Stitch wish them good night from the mirror and invite the family to a $30 a head character breakfast etc. were designed to increase revenue. How can that ever happen when those parts of MM+ have simply been left ignored (like those screens on Small World)?
Great example with Dumbo of how a lot of money was spent with very little delivered (think you quoted MacPhee on that, but could be mistaken). A tent waiting area with pagers ... all to ride a spinner. Great investment or wasted spend? You be the judge.
I'm not going to argue the point about the project coming in underbudget (I could have pointed you in a different direction had I known you were writing this, but ...) I can say if you torture numbers enough they'll say anything.
And that quote by Staggs about ''making better copy" ... did he say that in person or email you it? Because it reads like something a publicist would say as they are thinking in that direction, not usual from a numbers guy.
I thought it was interesting to see the sub-heads used in the story. Don't know if they came from you, but when I saw things like Carousel of Progress, Mr. Toad's Wild Ride and Discovery Island, I thought ''these will definitely make fans think he's one of us.'' ... FYI, Disney's Senior Guest Recovery agents often use these 'nostalgia' fueled terms in dealing with unhappy Guests by making them think they're lovers of all that old Disney crap too. Team Disney has a list of these or did as of a few years ago.
Finally, I saw that Shanghai Disneyland Resort and My Magic Plus were mentioned after the comment about Staggs being elevated to No. 2. I doubt you are making a correlation there as both projects will be very long term in nature before results are seen. And Rasulo, who is widely hated in the fan community, had far more to do with both projects (as you noted in the story) than the guy who switched jobs with him.
Anyway, I found it an interesting and entertaining read ... I wish you would have gone further in-depth in a few areas where I felt you were right on the verge of saying something big, but often my best ideas come after I have hit post myself.
Thanks.
Apologies, he did respond to a few posts this early this morning. Not much after that until his response to 74. Please odnt
Apologies, he did answer a few questions early this morning.
Nothing more than what a KTTW and a rubberband could have accomplished. A poster here has a photo of the prototype somewhere.Lets just say I got more and more ****ed off at upper management as I read.
Because what have they really accomplished with this project that Disney didnt already have?
but why come back and politely answer questions?
I thought the article was a pretty good read. It seems well researched and there are none of the obvious factual inaccuracies that we see in so many stories about WDW. I can't see how any rational person could consider it a puff piece, but I guess not everyone has to be rational.
I thought the vast majority of the regular posters here asked good questions and I think it's pretty cool that the author has stuck around to answer them. This has obviously been a hot topic issue around here for years now and brings out a lot of passion. It's interesting to me to see something written from the perspective of an unbiased outsider.
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Are you saying that the article did indeed cover topics such as disgruntled CM's or guests who had real issues with the system? Otherwise I dont see why you would be so offended at the idea of his, or anybodies criticism of the articles objectivity.
At what point of the stage gate process were frontline CM'S first brought into the process?Hey there, I don't know what your issue with me is, because I've been patient and kind throughout this process, and happy to answer as many questions as I can. But just seems like you keep spreading misinformation, like saying I only created 2 posts (I mean, I just joined the forum, so you can clearly see the # of messages I've made today is substantially higher than 2). You also say my article does not include "one example of the myriad of problems that a guest can experience with NGE that did not exist prior."
Which is weird, because our story reads, "A slew of problems reared up after launch: The My Disney Experience app was buggy, digital access points would turn blue when they were supposed to turn green, hotel reservations were a mess, and guests griped that the new FastPass+ system was unintuitive and difficult to program."
And now you ask, "Are you saying that the article did indeed cover topics such as disgruntled CM's or guests who had real issues with the system?" Which seems to imply that this wasn't included, even though we have the following line in the story: "Honestly, it’s not so magical," one cast member tells me about MyMagic+, echoing a common sentiment I hear from park employees during my visit. "It’s just for your hotel room [door] and paying for things."
Anyway, my point is, I don't mind enthusiasm. I don't mind this brand of message-board zeal. Disagree with me, totally cool! But at least try to get your facts straight. And if you feel something is missing in the story, then just ask rather than preemptively criticizing!
If you wanted to ask what I learned from cast members, I'd happily tell you. If you wanted to ask what, specifically, went wrong post-MM+ launch, I would tell you! But instead of talking about "complex reservations" and the huge issues the company faced in 2013/2014 with the program, we're talking about how many times I did or didn't post; whether I'm a journalist worthy of your high ethical standards; whether I've disclosed my finances/conflicts with Disney; etc.
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