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Rob562

Well-Known Member
But what I was asking if you can reserve FP+, am that's 60 days out. They usually don't send all your package info until only 30 days out or so. Won't I need tickets to reserve the FP online or will I be able to do it automatically at 60 days out without te tickets?


Your tickets are part of your package, and thus will already be linked to your profile(s) simply by linking the package to your profile.

Going in and specifically linking a ticket to a person is for people who either a) already have tickets or an AP, or b) people who buy their tickets from a source other than from Disney.

-Rob
 

pjammer

Active Member
But what I was asking if you can reserve FP+, am that's 60 days out. They usually don't send all your package info until only 30 days out or so. Won't I need tickets to reserve the FP online or will I be able to do it automatically at 60 days out without te tickets?

Sorry I was trying to say yes you can book the FPs. Certain features aren't live yet but basically when you customize the MagicBand that is confirming your tickets. The band is your ticket and KTTW card. Wether you physically hold that ticket or not doesnt matter because it exist virtually. And you will not have to link a ticket because it is already linked with the package. Hope that clears things up.
 

Jughead

New Member
Looks like the MDE is close to going live with more testers able to customise their bands and book FP+. They also updated the website.
 

randyrut

Active Member
I am new here so I may not be as versed as everyone else who posts. However, I would like to point something out that seems rather obvious to me, but no one is really discussing it....

Does it not appear that Disney is attempting to become more like Universal Studios here? Universal has the Express Pass, which I personally think makes your vacation a billion times better. I can understand why some might feel differently, if you do not stay on the grounds, or cannot afford the pass, but for my family, it is nothing less than perfect. I think Disney is trying to do their own version of this. I feel when all is said and done, those staying at a Disney resort will probably get 3 or 4 fastpasses. However, if you stay at a deluxe resort, you will probably get 5 or 6. It is their way of persuading more people to spend more money on their resort. Stay offsite, your fastpass choices will be limited. Stay at a value resort, you get to pick fastpasses in advance and get 3 or 4. Stay at a deluxe resort, get 6.

Do I think this will make a ton of people move up to a deluxe resort? No. But I do think it will keep the people who do stay at them from dropping down to a lesser category. Can I be wrong about all of this? Absolutely. Like I said, I am new to all of this. But it just seems pretty see-through to me.
 

Lord_Vader

Join me, together we can rule the galaxy.
^ I agree completely. It really looks like Disney is planning to monetize FP+. This also help eliminate the need for EMH which will greatly reduce expense, push on-site guests out of the parks as they close earlier and into resort restaurants, shops and pools. All of the above could raise per-guest spending (except the pools/pool bars) and reduce expenses.

What would be the true "value" of an additional FP or two per day? I would bet MANY guests would be willing to upgrade from a value to a moderate or a moderate to a deluxe if there are enough perks.
 

Fe Maiden

Well-Known Member
Well put. I am not a DVC member myself but have heard similar issues discussed by friends who are members from all over the country and some from other countries. Many of them have migrated to using their points for Disney cruises instead of resorts. I love the cruises and sincerely hope I do not have to reserve an Aqua Duck ride 60 days out from a cruise. I hope Disney does not infect the ships with the My Magic Minus.

It sounds like they are going to the cruise model more than ever. You want a reservation at one of the specialty restaurants or make sure you're family has a spot on the more popular excursions? Better book early.
 

Cahtool

New Member
People may want to check their My Disney Experience account of they have a trip coming up. I booked a package at the Yacht Club last month. Every once in a while I have been clicking on the fast pass + link in My Disney Experience after logging in. I had been getting a pop-up with a couple of links that led me to a page which wanted me to link tickets and dining reservations to my account. They were already linked, so there was really nothing to do and I would just quit. This morning though, the Fast Pass+ link took me to a calendar and I was able to choose dates, park, party members, then three rides/shows and then I was presented with 4 different schedules. Based on the time I was going to be at that particular park, I chose one of those fast pass schedules. I was able to do this for each day of my stay. I'm hoping this is actually going to process through and that it's not some web-site test because, again, I never got an e-mail or any notification that I would be able to do this.
 

wdw_nerd

New Member
People may want to check their My Disney Experience account of they have a trip coming up. I booked a package at the Yacht Club last month. Every once in a while I have been clicking on the fast pass + link in My Disney Experience after logging in. I had been getting a pop-up with a couple of links that led me to a page which wanted me to link tickets and dining reservations to my account. They were already linked, so there was really nothing to do and I would just quit. This morning though, the Fast Pass+ link took me to a calendar and I was able to choose dates, park, party members, then three rides/shows and then I was presented with 4 different schedules. Based on the time I was going to be at that particular park, I chose one of those fast pass schedules. I was able to do this for each day of my stay. I'm hoping this is actually going to process through and that it's not some web-site test because, again, I never got an e-mail or any notification that I would be able to do this.


when is your trip?
 

bubbles1812

Well-Known Member
What would be the true "value" of an additional FP or two per day? I would bet MANY guests would be willing to upgrade from a value to a moderate or a moderate to a deluxe if there are enough perks.
If there are enough perks, sure, I would consider an upgrade. But Disney has a long way to go in the perks department to get me to pay for the ginormously overpriced Deluxes (and Moderates, and Values...). Anyone who upgrades solely for the benefit of one or two extra FPs would be an absolute and utter fool in my book. Nothing like spending hundreds of extra dollars for a perk that really isn't all that big of one. I hope people aren't that stupid, though sadly some will be.
 

randyrut

Active Member
If there are enough perks, sure, I would consider an upgrade. But Disney has a long way to go in the perks department to get me to pay for a ginormously overpriced Deluxes (and Moderates, and Values...). Anyone who upgrades solely for the benefit of one or two extra FPs would be an absolute and utter fool in my book. Nothing like spending hundreds of extra dollars for a perk that really isn't all that big of one. I hope people aren't that stupid, though sadly some will be.

I would think they would add other incentives to it if they are in fact attempting to follow the path of Universal. Extra fastpasses are a small teaser, what the other incentives would be I am not sure. They already have EMH, so that is out. Free dining? Who knows. But I already stay at the Contemporary all the time anyway for the location, so it doesnt matter to me. What makes Universal's policies effective are the front of the line pass, as well as getting to the Harry Potter section an hour before everyone else. Disney would need more fastpasses and some other really big addition for it to really entice people IMO.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
I wanted to post this as I think it is relevant to MM+ but not exactly the same:

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/22862531/stores-may-be-tracking-you-through-your-cellphone

A portion of the article (bolding mine)

...did you know that brick-and-mortar stores are also tracking how you shop?

How long customers linger, what catches their eye and whether or not they return purchased items can be tracked through their smartphones, The New York Times reported this week.

Here's how it works: When cell phones search for a Wi-Fi signal, they send out information about the smartphone's owner to those Wi-Fi networks. A software analytics firm snatches that data and analyzes it. The information isn't personal, and no information or Internet search history is shared.

"It can tell us how many customers are passing by our stores compared to how many customers are actually coming in," Jaber said.

Euclid refuses to reveal client names, but will say that 30 national retailers use its software. Not all retailers are aiming for secrecy, however: The New York Times reported that Nordstrom posted a sign telling shoppers they were being tracked. Q13Fox.com in Seattle reported that the clothing retailer stopped collecting data on customers in May after several complaints.

RetailNext...also relies on video cameras with facial recognition software.

But for some customers, like Michael Slade of San Francisco, this raises privacy concerns.

"I don't like the feeling that I'm being tracked at all," he said.

To Slade and others uneasy knowing that an invisible software firm is sucking information out of your smartphone, the solution is simple: Turn off the Wi-Fi function on your phone before heading out.

The last part is especially important because unlike people who can turn off their wi-fi...with MM+, people WON'T be able to do that if Disney decides to implement this kind of system which I'd bet highly that they are.
 

Rob562

Well-Known Member
I wanted to post this as I think it is relevant to MM+ but not exactly the same:

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/22862531/stores-may-be-tracking-you-through-your-cellphone

A portion of the article (bolding mine)



The last part is especially important because unlike people who can turn off their wi-fi...with MM+, people WON'T be able to do that if Disney decides to implement this kind of system which I'd bet highly that they are.


While the MagicBands could conceivably be tracked, you always have the option of using an RFID card instead of a Band, and the cards can't be tracked apart from knowing when you specifically use them at the touchpoints at park gates, cash registers and FP+ entrances. (But really those were instances where Disney could already "track" you when you used your ticket or room key.)

-Rob
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I wanted to post this as I think it is relevant to MM+ but not exactly the same:

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/22862531/stores-may-be-tracking-you-through-your-cellphone

A portion of the article (bolding mine)



The last part is especially important because unlike people who can turn off their wi-fi...with MM+, people WON'T be able to do that if Disney decides to implement this kind of system which I'd bet highly that they are.

That piece is pretty misleading. Do people think counters laid across your highway, or walking through a turnstile equates to 'tracking' you?

The technology in play here regarding the smartphone example is simply counting patrons and comparing what you see 'over there' vs 'over here'

Every Ethernet device has a MAC address that is intended to be unique for that device. This is just slick sales people trying to milk that for analytics.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
That piece is pretty misleading. Do people think counters laid across your highway, or walking through a turnstile equates to 'tracking' you?

No, but those aren't using our cell phone's wifi signal

The technology in play here regarding the smartphone example is simply counting patrons and comparing what you see 'over there' vs 'over here'

That might be true, for now, but it bothers me, because it wouldn't take much work to modify this.

Every Ethernet device has a MAC address that is intended to be unique for that device. This is just slick sales people trying to milk that for analytics.

I realize that, but the fact that most places don't even want their customers to know about it...to me...is disturbing. No, the government isn't doing this, it's a separate company, but who's to say the government and the NSA can't or hasn't gone in to view that information....with facial recognition cameras as well.

It isn't "big brother" yet, but it's pretty close.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
No, but those aren't using our cell phone's wifi signal

It makes no difference if it uses the weight of your foot.. or your cell phone's presence. It's doing the exact same thing.... counting presence of things.

That might be true, for now, but it bothers me, because it wouldn't take much work to modify this.

Modify it to do what? Know you're there? If you are paranoid about this.. stop carrying around BEACONS that announce your presence everywhere. The beacon is just an easy marker.. they could use others like the forementioned turnstiles, counters, etc. This is just an application of a technology to an age old interest of business.

I realize that, but the fact that most places don't even want their customers to know about it...to me...is disturbing

Mainly because people like you will take it and blow it up. This is the same old stuff done for milenia - just with updated tools. Or do you feel paranoid if the shop keeper is standing at the door and watching who comes in and who doesn't come in his store.
 

mergatroid

Well-Known Member
Sorry this such a long thread I've not been able to read it all. We're arriving on 8th October, will the fast pass+/wrist band party be in full swing by then?
 

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