My apologies to the entire board

[Sirwalterraleigh]

 

[LittleBuford]

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The bus system isn't that bad!

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

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Shouldn't have been texting.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Shouldn't have been texting.

…he had a brand new steam powered pixel

 

[Goofyernmost]

Oh, I don't think anyone expects bus drivers to work through meal times and breaks. It's more likely that the expectation is to hire more drivers, which is pretty impossible right now with current labor shortages. People will probably just need to be patient awhile longer.

I think they have the right amount of buses now. Adding more will just thicken the soup. There can be to much of a good thing and that causes massive problems down the line. That isn't the problem, the fact that they have more people to haul and very few places to take them too and that is what causes the bottlenecks. It's not fixable by throwing more buses into the mix even if they could find drivers. As usual, though, Disney pays diddly for professional bus drivers that are trained in carrying passengers. CDL's with passenger endorsements are not all that easy to get. It is an additional requirement that requires access to buses to train on and test on. It's the same as driving a semi-truck where you just pretty much sit in a seat and drive. A hard job but if you gave most drivers the choice they would steer clear of hauling a busload of ungrateful, constantly complaining humans as their cargo. Boxes don't get nasty.

 

[Goofyernmost]

WDW has added tandem buses. (Also called banana buses or articulated buses). One driver can now transport twice as many passengers during peak hours.

WDW has worked to improve transportation in many ways. They have made significant improvements in the roadways, for example.

Sometimes a relatively simple change yields big improvements in flow.

I never questioned that and I do know about the articulated buses. It's is like any situation during rush hour anywhere. Would someone's chances of getting someplace faster if they had two cars instead of one get there quicker, no because that just increases the pressure on rush hour., The chances are that the numbers of buses are increased at opening and closing, but that isn't the problem. The problem is everyone wants to head for their destination at the same time. You couldn't have enough buses to fix that.

 

[Lilofan]

If you have paid attention to anything ive ever said i personally think Disney isnt as expensive as everyone else does in comparison also i rent a car to avoid the bus service… thank you for the advice tho

For starters there is no realistic way go get to other hotels especially for breakfast. More relevant is the fact in mornings you can easily get stuck waiting for a 2nd bus maybe a 3rd to get to a park same at park closing. None of that has to do with what you said its mainly the fact Disney does not supply enough busses to handle the load especially at the resorts mentioned.

I was replying back to your complaint on stuck waiting for busses. I suggested Uber .

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I wouldn't call what you described a general policy regarding restaurant reservations. It's more like they will seat you at some unspecified time hours later and only at some restaurants, not all of them. Their general policy is what's expressly stated on their website - every guest regardless of age has to have a confirmed dining reservation.

If being seated within a reasonable time is not a guarantee, either because they are too booked up (which is easily the case at some of the more popular venues) or because it doesn't apply to all restaurants but they can't tell you which ones are excluded, then in my opinion this does not qualify as general policy. It's "take your chances."

Disney is vague with its policies for a reason. I have emailed a few times asking about policies (specifically whether non-pass holders can enter the dedicated entrances along with pass holders and trying to clarify parking restrictions) and I pretty much always get the same response - that Disney cast members are given discretion to give each guest a magical experience if at all possible, but that specific requests are always subject to Disney's business needs at the time. In other words, they won't say because the answer changes. I didn't make up the part about cast members having discretion; those are Disney's words.

I was at WDW, and you were not present, but you are now certain I'm reporting my experience inaccurately.

If the mods pulled a forum member for trolling, then I am certain that forum member was trolling. I'm 100% with you there.

Disney is often vague because they are like almost every other corporation: they want to make money. Keeping policies vague helps them to do that.

In your example above, I do believe that is what they told you. I have never asked about that policy...but....On our most recent trip, my group all had AP's. We used the AP line. When we bought our AP's, I asked the CM to make sure they were prioritized, because we had an old park hopper in our account. Five park days later, that 5-day park hopper showed zero days left! If CM's noticed she was using a PH, they did not say one word about it to us.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I was at WDW, and you were not present, but you are now certain I'm reporting my experience inaccurately.

If the mods pulled a forum member for trolling, then I am certain that forum member was trolling. I'm 100% with you there.

Disney is often vague because they are like almost every other corporation: they want to make money. Keeping policies vague helps them to do that.

In your example above, I do believe that is what they told you. I have never asked about that policy...but....On our most recent trip, my group all had AP's. We used the AP line. When we bought our AP's, I asked the CM to make sure they were prioritized, because we had an old park hopper in our account. Five park days later, that 5-day park hopper showed zero days left! If CM's noticed she was using a PH, they did not say one word about it to us.

You have to stop with the “my experience” and “unwritten policy” stuff.

I’m not doubting those things happened…I don’t think anyone else is either…

But you don’t give them out as what to do to others. It’s just more responsible and again - don’t put others in that position to be disappointed.

Reservations should be booked for the whole party.
Parking is limited to hotel occupants and booked at dining venues.

What else are we disputing?

The ticket thing was a screw up…but an understandable one if you have floaters on your accounts.
You can raise hell about that one. Have at it

It’s not a scheme…it’s bad IT. And other “policies” are less friendly than in years past. If you notice - lots of lament of years past by Disney fans. There’s a reason.

 

[Chi84]

I was at WDW, and you were not present, but you are now certain I'm reporting my experience inaccurately.

If the mods pulled a forum member for trolling, then I am certain that forum member was trolling. I'm 100% with you there.

Disney is often vague because they are like almost every other corporation: they want to make money. Keeping policies vague helps them to do that.

In your example above, I do believe that is what they told you. I have never asked about that policy...but....On our most recent trip, my group all had AP's. We used the AP line. When we bought our AP's, I asked the CM to make sure they were prioritized, because we had an old park hopper in our account. Five park days later, that 5-day park hopper showed zero days left! If CM's noticed she was using a PH, they did not say one word about it to us.

I didn’t say anything about you reporting any part of your experience inaccurately. I’m not sure what you mean. I just said that Disney’s general policy on reservations is expressly written on its website.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I never questioned that and I do know about the articulated buses. It's is like any situation during rush hour anywhere. Would someone's chances of getting someplace faster if they had two cars instead of one get there quicker, no because that just increases the pressure on rush hour., The chances are that the numbers of buses are increased at opening and closing, but that isn't the problem. The problem is everyone wants to head for their destination at the same time. You couldn't have enough buses to fix that.

I have not used the WDW buses in some time. We used to use them all the time, but then we discovered how much faster it is to drive our own car. We somewhat enjoy the monorail and shuttle boats, so we do use those most visits. We also use the boats at Universal.

I think it is fair to say the WDW busing has room for improvement.

I am very impressed by how many people moves around as quickly as they do. One of my secret delights is watching the MK buses and monorails come and go from the lookout deck of the Contemporary. It is truly impressive how well WDW coordinates so many moving parts.

I have civil engineers in my family. Visiting WDW with civil engineers is a hoot, because they love talking about the ways WDW transportation could be improved. I trust they know what they are talking about.

 

[LittleBuford]

I was at WDW, and you were not present, but you are now certain I'm reporting my experience inaccurately.

If the mods pulled a forum member for trolling, then I am certain that forum member was trolling. I'm 100% with you there.

Disney is often vague because they are like almost every other corporation: they want to make money. Keeping policies vague helps them to do that.

In your example above, I do believe that is what they told you. I have never asked about that policy...but....On our most recent trip, my group all had AP's. We used the AP line. When we bought our AP's, I asked the CM to make sure they were prioritized, because we had an old park hopper in our account. Five park days later, that 5-day park hopper showed zero days left! If CM's noticed she was using a PH, they did not say one word about it to us.

As an observer of this particular discussion rather than a participant in it, I don’t think anyone is doubting that you experienced what you say you did. The only claim that’s been made (and it’s a demonstrably true one) is that your experience doesn’t quite accord with Disney’s official policy.

 

[WondersOfLife]

I love arguing.

 

[LittleBuford]

I love arguing.

I enjoy a good debate. Arguing is another matter, and best avoided.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

You have to stop with the “my experience” and “unwritten policy” stuff.

I’m not doubting those things happened…I don’t think anyone else is either…

But you don’t give them out as what to do to others. It’s just more responsible and again - don’t put others in that position to be disappointed.

Reservations should be booked for the whole party.
Parking is limited to hotel occupants and booked at dining venues.

What else are we disputing?

The ticket thing was a screw up…but an understandable one if you have floaters on your accounts.
You can raise hell about that one. Have at it

It’s not a scheme…it’s bad IT. And other “policies” are less friendly than in years past. If you notice - lots of lament of years past by Disney fans. There’s a reason.

We are really going down the rabbit hole!

Onsite guests are allowed to park and eat at the 3 All Star Resorts. If anything, I think WDW wants more people to eat lunch and dinner there.

Yes, reservations should be booked for your whole party. I did not say otherwise.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what you are trying to dispute. If you know me, I try hard to relay facts. I generally try to steer clear of hot button issues.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

As an observer of this particular discussion rather than a participant in it, I don’t think anyone is doubting that you experienced what you say you did. The only claim that’s been made (and it’s a demonstrably true one) is that your experience doesn’t quite accord with Disney’s official policy.

As I just posted, I try hard in this forum to avoid hot button issues. I try hard to be respectful, and to share information accurately.

I appear to have failed today.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

We are really going down the rabbit hole!

Onsite guests are allowed to park and eat at the 3 All Star Resorts. If anything, I think WDW wants more people to eat lunch and dinner there.

Yes, reservations should be booked for your whole party. I did not say otherwise.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what you are trying to dispute. If you know me, I try hard to relay facts. I generally try to steer clear of hot button issues.

I’m following you on this, White Rabbit…

We are moving the goal posts here “bigtime”. Who said anything about eating at all stars. There’s a billion spots there and it’s not in demand at all.

Here’s where you can’t do that…because it says so right at the sign at the guard shack:
Grand flo
Contemporary
Poly
Wildness
Boardwalk (wasn’t always that way…but they discourage it now)
Beach
Yacht
DAKL


…hell…I saw people trying to talk their way into Saratoga not that long ago.


Doesn’t seem like a “policy” of free access there.

Same with the dining reservations


It’s not that it can’t happen. But it technically isn’t in line with the current situation.

 

[LittleBuford]

As I just posted, I try hard in this forum to avoid hot button issues. I try hard to be respectful, and to share information accurately.

I appear to have failed today.

I don’t think you have failed. I think it’s just a matter of crossed wires.

On the specific issue of parking, I believe you are correct and @Sirwalterraleigh is mistaken, because Disney’s official policy (though vaguely stated) is:

“Complimentary standard self-parking is available while enjoying select dining, shopping, entertainment, and recreation experiences at Disney Resort hotels.”

Parking

Be our guest! Your wish is our command, as you enjoy this Walt Disney World service.

disneyworld.disney.go.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

As I just posted, I try hard in this forum to avoid hot button issues. I try hard to be respectful, and to share information accurately.

I appear to have failed today.

It’s been a few days. But I do that as much as anyone.

But we both need to move on. This one is pretty cut and dry

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t think you have failed. I think it’s just a matter of crossed wires.

On the specific issue of parking, I believe you are correct and @Sirwalterraleigh is mistaken, because Disney’s official policy (though vaguely stated) is:

“Complimentary standard self-parking is available while enjoying select dining, shopping, entertainment, and recreation experiences at Disney Resort hotels.”

Parking

Be our guest! Your wish is our command, as you enjoy this Walt Disney World service.

disneyworld.disney.go.com

The sandwich boards that say “parking is for registered Hotel guests and confirmed dining reservations” directly disagrees and has the Mickey cop standing behind it.

Good job on the Disney IT deep dive though

I’m not disputing that at all in the past. Very much open. It’s choked off to near nothing since.

Security being a big reason…but the bigger one? What we’re doing right now. Advice on forums and from TAs to push it.

It is what it is.