My apologies to the entire board

[LittleBuford]

That’s always a dead giveaway.

Often yes, but I’ve definitely found myself on the receiving end of a barrage of angry posts that are not responding to what I’m actually saying, no matter how many times I try to clarify my meaning. I’ve seen it happen to other posters too. It’s interesting to see which topics can prompt this sort of response, and to consider why they do.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Often yes, but I’ve definitely found myself on the receiving end of a barrage of angry posts that are not responding to what I’m actually saying, no matter how many times I try to clarify my meaning. I’ve seen it happen to other posters too. It’s interesting to see which topics can prompt this sort of response, and to consider why they do.

I’m not gonna dispute that…

But this particular volley exchange doesn’t fall in that category. It’s mistaking past/personal experience for policy and while nobody is saying that is implausible…it was presented as a danger in presenting things to others in that manner.

That’s all really. A complete reality based, logical stance.

 

[Afterthought]

One of the reasons so many threads descend into confusion and/or incivility is that people bring in assumptions and interpretations unsupported by what the post they’re responding to actually says.

So you're calling me ugly?

 

[crazy4disney]

Last I knew they have tracking and display boards at major bus stops. Unless they stopped that. That I don't know. Most people claim that system is bad because it isn't there exactly when they want it to be. Buses have to contend with required access loading, heavy traffic and idiot drivers and slow loading passengers. They like every major sized bus system in major locations are subject to many variables that they have no control over. So, like you have done and what even I have done, is avoid that by driving to the parks even though I know the legitimate reasons why they are delayed. I just find it more comfortable and less frustrating, but I never thought that they were doing anything wrong just dealing with real world problems.

For starters there is no realistic way go get to other hotels especially for breakfast. More relevant is the fact in mornings you can easily get stuck waiting for a 2nd bus maybe a 3rd to get to a park same at park closing. None of that has to do with what you said its mainly the fact Disney does not supply enough busses to handle the load especially at the resorts mentioned.

 

[ceecee101]

Way up in this thread several of us suggested doing the “PAUSE before you send“ idea. maybe hold your drafts for a bit and then determine if it’s really worth sending before things end up going sideways. Thanks for your consideration

 

[Shiriki_Utundu]

Just out of curiosity, who determines if something is nonsense or is asinine, such that another person deserves to be “called out” as you say?

I want to answer you but I need to ask this first:
Is your comment above rhetorical in nature or is it a bonafide question? It looks like rhetoric to me but this 2 dimension/screen communication leaves me unsure.

Since I am about 2 part human to 1 part Sheldon Cooper I don't understand many things that others readily do.

 

[Goofyernmost]

For starters there is no realistic way go get to other hotels especially for breakfast. More relevant is the fact in mornings you can easily get stuck waiting for a 2nd bus maybe a 3rd to get to a park same at park closing. None of that has to do with what you said its mainly the fact Disney does not supply enough busses to handle the load especially at the resorts mentioned.

So Disney should realistically buy an additional fleet of buses to handle two to four hours every day? Also where would all those CDL required drivers come from since it would only be part time. The same thing applies to all forms of transportation. When there are rush times putting more traffic out there isn't going to solve the problem. The number of rooms onsite is more then the infrastructure can handle. The only way that can change is to also stagger entry times along with park reservations or build an entire series of roadways to be used by only buses. Or perhaps build a setup of more gondolas so they don't have to travel the highways at all. And yes, all the factors that I mentioned before contribute to the slowed up process. Buses are mass transit and will never have the same instantaneous availability that your personal vehicle will give you. If you choose not to drive, that is on you as an individual not on a system that has built in unpredictable and unavoidable delays but saves you from having to drive on those scary roads. Everything comes at a cost in either time or money or both.

 

[Lilofan]

For starters there is no realistic way go get to other hotels especially for breakfast. More relevant is the fact in mornings you can easily get stuck waiting for a 2nd bus maybe a 3rd to get to a park same at park closing. None of that has to do with what you said its mainly the fact Disney does not supply enough busses to handle the load especially at the resorts mentioned.

Uber

 

[crazy4disney]

So Disney should realistically buy an additional fleet of buses to handle two to four hours every day? Also where would all those CDL required drivers come from since it would only be part time. The same thing applies to all forms of transportation. When there are rush times putting more traffic out there isn't going to solve the problem. The number of rooms onsite is more then the infrastructure can handle. The only way that can change is to also stagger entry times along with park reservations or build an entire series of roadways to be used by only buses. Or perhaps build a setup of more gondolas so they don't have to travel the highways at all. And yes, all the factors that I mentioned before contribute to the slowed up process. Buses are mass transit and will never have the same instantaneous availability that your personal vehicle will give you. If you choose not to drive, that is on you as an individual not on a system that has built in unpredictable and unavoidable delays but saves you from having to drive on those scary roads. Everything comes at a cost in either time or money or both.

Listen im not arguing over buses but i will say this YES Disney should 100% provide top notch bus service especially when they advertise it as a perk for resort guests. Ive seen buses parked at hotels not being used while people wait for one to show up & clear as day some were not getting on the 1st one. Forgive me to expect Disney to actually provide top notch service. You asked a question i answered it you seem to agree with the reasoning behind yet are defending Disney in regards to the bus system being inadequate

 

[crazy4disney]

Uber

Now you are suggesting spending more money for a trip everyone already complains is too expensive on a service Disney advertises as a perk. Got it

 

[JusticeDisney]

I want to answer you but I need to ask this first:
Is your comment above rhetorical in nature or is it a bonafide question? It looks like rhetoric to me but this 2 dimension/screen communication leaves me unsure.

Since I am about 2 part human to 1 part Sheldon Cooper I don't understand many things that others readily do.

I guess it could be considered both.

 

[mysto]

The side discussion was actually based on a poster saying that it’s hard to remain civil to someone who posts dishonest or asinine comments.

My comments are so asinine no one would ever take them seriously! Thus I don't consider them dishonest but ironic or satirical.

 

[Lilofan]

Now you are suggesting spending more money for a trip everyone already complains is too expensive on a service Disney advertises as a perk. Got it

You wanted a quicker way , gave you an option. There are other vacation options that are more cost effective.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Listen im not arguing over buses but i will say this YES Disney should 100% provide top notch bus service especially when they advertise it as a perk for resort guests. Ive seen buses parked at hotels not being used while people wait for one to show up & clear as day some were not getting on the 1st one. Forgive me to expect Disney to actually provide top notch service. You asked a question i answered it you seem to agree with the reasoning behind yet are defending Disney in regards to the bus system being inadequate

Well, drivers have to eat and need a break too. They aren't just sitting there to annoy people. All drivers and buses work on a shift schedule and it is tight. Every minute of the shift is accounted for, whether it be arriving and leaving a bus stop or having lunch. They might even be waiting for their actual time to kick back in after covering for another bus that got unavoidably delayed and now they are trying to get back on schedule. They can't just throw the system completely out of balance because you want to get someplace quicker. That could cause problems down the line and just make the situation worse. Remember you are on vacation they are working. I'm sure you take lunches and take breaks when you work. I don't think you want a tired/exhausted driver hauling you around in a 12 ton vehicle. I would think you might want a driver that is alert and rested. There is far more complexity in how a public transportation operates and you are only experiencing it at whatever point of time that you present yourself into the scenario.

Like I said, if it isn't something that one can tolerate then bring or rent a car and come and go exactly when you want to go. As for the buses if you chose to rely on them then you also have to anticipate the possibilities and "the way it is" factor of such transportation. They provide it but they cannot cater to each of the thousands of people that might be staying on WDW. It isn't a limousine service it is multi-person public transportation.

BTW, they didn't promise you "top notch" bus service (whatever that is) they offered you a free ride on the bus to your onsite destination. It will not always fit perfectly into you personal schedule, but it is a very expensive service that is incorporated in whatever charges you are part of. Your portion of it is very tiny. It's the rest of the place that is ungodly expensive.

 

[Chi84]

Well, drivers have to eat and need a break too. They aren't just sitting there to annoy people. All drivers and buses work on a shift schedule and it is tight. Every minute of the shift is accounted for, whether it be arriving and leaving a bus stop or having lunch. They might even be waiting for their actual time to kick back in after covering for another bus that got unavoidably delayed and now they are trying to get back on schedule. They can't just throw the system completely out of balance because you want to get someplace quicker. That could cause problems down the line and just make the situation worse. Remember you are on vacation they are working. I'm sure you take lunches and take breaks when you work. I don't think you want a tired/exhausted driver hauling you around in a 12 ton vehicle. I would think you might want a driver that is alert and rested. There is far more complexity in how a public transportation operates and you are only experiencing it at whatever point of time that you present yourself into the scenario.

Like I said, if it isn't something that one can tolerate then bring or rent a car and come and go exactly when you want to go. As for the buses if you chose to rely on them then you also have to anticipate the possibilities and "the way it is" factor of such transportation. They provide it but they cannot cater to each of the thousands of people that might be staying on WDW. It isn't a limousine service it is multi-person public transportation.

Oh, I don't think anyone expects bus drivers to work through meal times and breaks. It's more likely that the expectation is to hire more drivers, which is pretty impossible right now with current labor shortages. People will probably just need to be patient awhile longer.

 

[Br0ckford]

Oh, I don't think anyone expects bus drivers to work through meal times and breaks. It's more likely that the expectation is to hire more drivers, which is pretty impossible right now with current labor shortages. People will probably just need to be patient awhile longer.

 

[crazy4disney]

You wanted a quicker way , gave you an option. There are other vacation options that are more cost effective.

If you have paid attention to anything ive ever said i personally think Disney isnt as expensive as everyone else does in comparison also i rent a car to avoid the bus service… thank you for the advice tho

 

[crazy4disney]

Well, drivers have to eat and need a break too. They aren't just sitting there to annoy people. All drivers and buses work on a shift schedule and it is tight. Every minute of the shift is accounted for, whether it be arriving and leaving a bus stop or having lunch. They might even be waiting for their actual time to kick back in after covering for another bus that got unavoidably delayed and now they are trying to get back on schedule. They can't just throw the system completely out of balance because you want to get someplace quicker. That could cause problems down the line and just make the situation worse. Remember you are on vacation they are working. I'm sure you take lunches and take breaks when you work. I don't think you want a tired/exhausted driver hauling you around in a 12 ton vehicle. I would think you might want a driver that is alert and rested. There is far more complexity in how a public transportation operates and you are only experiencing it at whatever point of time that you present yourself into the scenario.

Like I said, if it isn't something that one can tolerate then bring or rent a car and come and go exactly when you want to go. As for the buses if you chose to rely on them then you also have to anticipate the possibilities and "the way it is" factor of such transportation. They provide it but they cannot cater to each of the thousands of people that might be staying on WDW. It isn't a limousine service it is multi-person public transportation.

BTW, they didn't promise you "top notch" bus service (whatever that is) they offered you a free ride on the bus to your onsite destination. It will not always fit perfectly into you personal schedule, but it is a very expensive service that is incorporated in whatever charges you are part of. Your portion of it is very tiny. It's the rest of the place that is ungodly expensive.

To me there are easy fixes to when things get backed up. A couple off top of my head would be have extra drivers on call and buses ready to be deployed especially at park closing etc to go to whatever hotel stop that is backed up at the present time. Also be nice considering they force you to use the app to have an arrival time for buses at your resort so you can decide if you want to wait or take an uber etc.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

So Disney should realistically buy an additional fleet of buses to handle two to four hours every day? Also where would all those CDL required drivers come from since it would only be part time. The same thing applies to all forms of transportation. When there are rush times putting more traffic out there isn't going to solve the problem. The number of rooms onsite is more then the infrastructure can handle. The only way that can change is to also stagger entry times along with park reservations or build an entire series of roadways to be used by only buses. Or perhaps build a setup of more gondolas so they don't have to travel the highways at all. And yes, all the factors that I mentioned before contribute to the slowed up process. Buses are mass transit and will never have the same instantaneous availability that your personal vehicle will give you. If you choose not to drive, that is on you as an individual not on a system that has built in unpredictable and unavoidable delays but saves you from having to drive on those scary roads. Everything comes at a cost in either time or money or both.

WDW has added tandem buses. (Also called banana buses or articulated buses). One driver can now transport twice as many passengers during peak hours.

WDW has worked to improve transportation in many ways. They have made significant improvements in the roadways, for example.

Sometimes a relatively simple change yields big improvements in flow.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I want to answer you but I need to ask this first:
Is your comment above rhetorical in nature or is it a bonafide question? It looks like rhetoric to me but this 2 dimension/screen communication leaves me unsure.

Since I am about 2 part human to 1 part Sheldon Cooper I don't understand many things that others readily do.

This is a very good question! I would like to hear your answer. IMO, to some extent, we each have to decide for ourselves.