Muppets

Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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POLY LOVER said:
it just needs a refurb and it is back on top. its fun but the 3d is old tech that needs an upgrade and the show context needs to be freshned up. I never miss the show when I am there. I think when the muppet show airs on TV again that will be the catalyst for the new changes.
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Other then new replacement stuff in the Muppets, I am at a loss to understand how it can be upgraded. The creator of this show is dead, it can never be replaced, it is still a good show (as might be assumed by the fact that you say you never miss it), and even the 3D after all these years is as clear and sharp as it was when they opened. To keep any part of the show would require redoing it with new puppets, new voices and everything but the show I go to see. Quite the opposite of your argument for "The Bakery", you are asking to throw out the one we all remember and replace it with what could easily end up, in my opinion, a shadow of it's former self.

Now if you are just talking about digitalizing it and perhaps cleaning up the edges a little, then I agree.
 
Matt_Black

Matt_Black

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Goofyernmost said:
Other then new replacement stuff in the Muppets, I am at a loss to understand how it can be upgraded. The creator of this show is dead, it can never be replaced, it is still a good show (as might be assumed by the fact that you say you never miss it), and even the 3D after all these years is as clear and sharp as it was when they opened. To keep any part of the show would require redoing it with new puppets, new voices and everything but the show I go to see. Quite the opposite of your argument for "The Bakery", you are asking to throw out the one we all remember and replace it with what could easily end up, in my opinion, a shadow of it's former self.

Now if you are just talking about digitalizing it and perhaps cleaning up the edges a little, then I agree.
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Plus, a new version would probably have an abundance of Walter, who is the Poochie of the Muppets.
 
Brer Panther

Brer Panther

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Goofyernmost said:
Other then new replacement stuff in the Muppets, I am at a loss to understand how it can be upgraded. The creator of this show is dead, it can never be replaced, it is still a good show (as might be assumed by the fact that you say you never miss it), and even the 3D after all these years is as clear and sharp as it was when they opened. To keep any part of the show would require redoing it with new puppets, new voices and everything but the show I go to see. Quite the opposite of your argument for "The Bakery", you are asking to throw out the one we all remember and replace it with what could easily end up, in my opinion, a shadow of it's former self.

Now if you are just talking about digitalizing it and perhaps cleaning up the edges a little, then I agree.
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Well, for Kermit's lines, you could use archived recordings on Jim Henson (like how Mickey's Philharmagic uses archived recordings of Clarence Nash for some of Donald's lines). But I can see your point.

Matt_Black said:
Plus, a new version would probably have an abundance of Walter, who is the Poochie of the Muppets.
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I personally would take Walter over Constantine. I don't want the storyline for a new Muppet*Vision show to be "Constantine escapes from the gulag and steals Kermit's identity and everyone except Animal falls for it again despite the fact that he does a very bad job of sounding and acting like Kermit".
 
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Matt_Black

Matt_Black

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Brer Panther said:
I'll take Walter over Constantine. I don't want the storyline for a new Muppet*Vision show to be "Constantine escapes from the gulag and steals Kermit's identity and everyone except Animal falls for it again despite the fact that he does a very bad job of sounding and acting like Kermit".
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That plot doesn't upset me; remember, the Great Muppet Caper had the joke that Fozzie and Kermit look exactly alike as long as Fozzie isn't wearing his hat.
 
Brer Panther

Brer Panther

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Thing is, that was just a running gag. In Muppets Most Wanted, it's the entire plot, making the Muppets look like total idiots. I don't want to see Constantine again, nor do I want to see Fozzie and Gonzo not notice or care hat their friend has had their identity stolen by an obvious fake.
 
Cmdr_Crimson

Cmdr_Crimson

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Brer Panther said:
Thing is, that was just a running gag. In Muppets Most Wanted, it's the entire plot, making the Muppets look like total idiots. I don't want to see Constantine again, nor do I want to see Fozzie and Gonzo not notice or care hat their friend has had their identity stolen by an obvious fake.
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And I NEVER want to see Walter..
 
Tom P.

Tom P.

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There was a Muppet movie in 2011, a Muppet movie in 2014, and now a new Muppet TV show in 2015. To suggest that Disney does not have confidence in the Muppet franchise and is not willing to develop the property is absurd. You don't have to make a new movie every 12 months to be confident in a franchise. In fact, it's probably very smart on Disney's part to NOT be making a new movie right now, which could potentially distract from the launch of the TV show.

No, the Muppets will never be the financial juggernaut that the Star Wars or Marvel franchises are. But that's why Muppets Most Wanted was budgeted at $50 million while The Force Awakens is budgeted at $200 million. It's also why Disney paid less than $200 million for the entire Muppet franchise while they shelled out $4 billion to George Lucas for the Star Wars franchise. These are different categories of franchises, with different expectations for financial returns. And that is normal. But Disney is clearly still developing new Muppet properties and I see no signs that they're afraid to invest in the franchise.
 
Brer Panther

Brer Panther

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Disney gave up on 2D animation after Winnie the Pooh because The Princess and the Frog "underperformed". If Muppets Most Wanted bombed, they're probably not in the mood to make another movie about the Muppets anytime.

I'm glad we're getting a TV show, though. I was expecting them to restrict the Muppets to commercials and awful TV specials like they were in-between Muppets From Space and the 2011 movie.
 
Tom P.

Tom P.

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Brer Panther said:
Disney gave up on 2D animation after Winnie the Pooh because The Princess and the Frog "underperformed". If Muppets Most Wanted bombed, they're probably not in the mood to make another movie about the Muppets anytime.
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Hollywood thinking drives me batty. "The Princess and the Frog" underperforms, so we blame the style of animation instead of thinking that possibly it was the movie itself. I'm not saying "The Princess and the Frog" was an awful film by any means, but does Disney seriously think that if it had been "Beauty and the Beast" or "The Little Mermaid" that it would have underperformed?

Similarly, "Muppets Most Wanted" doesn't do horribly, but does underperform, and the thought is "maybe folks don't want a Muppet movie" instead of "maybe our Muppet movie we just did was subpar"...
 

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