MSEP to stay at WDW for 2 years?

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
:lol: Really? She's one of my favorites on the current cast....but she has nothing on some of the older SNL Members.

One man's opinion, but there's a difference between being annoying and being funny. So many of her characters are created to be annoying, and to me that doesn't translate to humor.

Anyways, back to your regularly scheduled Main Street Electrical Parade gushing... carry on.
 

candydog

Member
wasn't there more than one copy of this parade parade built? I thought there were 2 or 3 floating around. What happened to the others if there are any?
 

steve2wdw

WDW Fan Since 1973
Because this is part of a summer promotion, sadly, I won't be experiencing any of the enhancements, but if I was, I'd like to see the latest MSEP with the original soundtrack (I don't care for the current DCA soundtrack). The MK could also benefit from some pop/rock type bands that play on a regular schedule (like those at DL) at Cosmic Rays. Better yet, maybe use the new Stitch stage. I did notice land "centric" live music this past Presidents Week, the MK could definately benefit from more of this. There used to be Steel Drums in Adventureland and the Fife and Drum Corps in Liberty Square. We need more of this. And for some nostalga, how about bringing back the Kids of the Kingdom with live vocals and musicians added to the backing soundtrack. Those shows never seemed to grow old and they were aimed at everyone, not just the 5 year old set. I seem to remember "Disney World is Your World". The MK at one time had a small park feel (like that of DL) once upon a time. Sure, we're missing some classic attractions, but we don't need those. Bring back the entertainment that's missing and this will fill a huge void. And I'm talking "Park" entertaiment, not "Character based" entertainment.

And PS...I'd like to see Spectro back after a short hiatus, with better synced audio along the parade route, better sound from the floats themselves, and while we're at it, maybe a Beauty and the Beast unit. Maybe expand the color changing to every unit, not just the Sleeping Beauty unit and the finale unit. I'd be happy with that, as I feel that Spectro is to MK as MSEP is to DL. I like MSEP but love Spectro.
 

colliera

Member
Main Street FL roots

Both DLs MSEP and MK MSEP have their roots in the Water Pageant at WDW. MSEP v1.0 was more so as it was flat and two dimensional. Both parades, the DL version and MK were constructed at WDW Central Shops.

I was glad to see it come back in 2001 and think the return is a good idea. It was the first change I had to see the mine train and PI units in person.

Any word on the turtle, snail, and bee spinners being part of this? They have always been my favorite parts because of their ability to interact and "talk" to the guests.
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
The parade wasn't that bad, unless you want to believe all the negative hype around it. The only reason people didn't accept it was because it replaced DL's beloved parade - people were mostly bitter about the change.. negative word-of-mouth spread like wildfire and killed the parade.

Had nice effects, detailed floats.. I think the soundtrack was fun. Overall it wasn't as bad as most people make it out to be :shrug:

How much were you paid to say that? ;)

Light Magic was a mess of faux Celtic dancing, cheap-looking (but reportedly quite expensive) floats and costumes, and poorly conceived "interaction."

Stages rolled out into the streets and stopped at various points along the route. Freaky fairies appeared and danced a couple of Riverdance/Lord of the Dance jigs—all of which looked exactly alike. The floats themselves didn't have many lights, but colored spots randomly panned back and forth across the "entertainment." At the last moment, fairies grabbed children and danced in a circle with them.

Then it ended.

But I suppose everyone is entitled to an opinion.
 

rodserling27

Well-Known Member
Saw it the last time it was here. I just do not like the music at all.
AH!!!!! nooo!! I LOVE the MSEP music. I love how it's tuned slightly sharper than A=440hz (I hope you know what the means? It's slightly sharper than the standard tuning in Western music) and that opening fanfare gives me chills and smiles!!
 

SirGoofy

Member
AH!!!!! nooo!! I LOVE the MSEP music. I love how it's tuned slightly sharper than A=440hz (I hope you know what the means?) and that opening fanfare gives me chills and smiles!!

Yea, I know what you're talking about. It's just not for me. I love the floats, but I really, really don't like the music.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
One man's opinion, but there's a difference between being annoying and being funny. So many of her characters are created to be annoying, and to me that doesn't translate to humor.

Anyways, back to your regularly scheduled Main Street Electrical Parade gushing... carry on.

I think that IS what's funny about them. :lol: But yes, opinion.


And yes....gushing.:D
 

DisneyParksFan1

Active Member
I personally love the music and the parade is great. Cannot wait for it to pay the MK a visit. Although Spectromagic will always be the parade that gives me chills and smiles once I hear that opening fanfare, MSEP will be a nice substitute while we get a nice update on Spectro.
 

fireworkz

Active Member
Any word on the turtle, snail, and bee spinners being part of this? They have always been my favorite parts because of their ability to interact and "talk" to the guests.

All those guys are still in it. Blue Fairy is gone, replaced by Tinkerbell. Not a big loss there especially when you see how amazing the new float is. The whole Dumbo section is also gone. :cry: (Taking out the calliope is like taking Hook's canon out of Spectro!) Pinocchio and Snow White take Dumbo's place.
 

rodserling27

Well-Known Member
I'm so sorry to hear the Dumbo section is gone...that was my favorite part of the parade and of the soundtrack!!!

Speaking of soundtrack and music......I'm PRAYING that it will be the same original soundtrack of 2001 and not the re-recorded one of 2009 in Disneyland and I think Disneyland Tokyo? I saw it on YouTube and I really didn't like it, first and foremost because it was a half-step lower musically, and secondly it just didn't sound vintage!!! The little clip they played when Meg Crofton announced it's return was playing the original recording, and she said "even the music will bring back memories" so I guess we'll wait and see!!

Edit: Here's the one I'm talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oh4kx_OEIA It starts about 10 seconds in. compare that to the music in Crofton's announcement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubwgD-LAl9k
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
I'm so sorry to hear the Dumbo section is gone...that was my favorite part of the parade and of the soundtrack!!!

Speaking of soundtrack and music......I'm PRAYING that it will be the same original soundtrack of 2001 and not the re-recorded one of 2009 in Disneyland and I think Disneyland Tokyo? I saw it on YouTube and I really didn't like it, first and foremost because it was a half-step lower musically, and secondly it just didn't sound vintage!!! The little clip they played when Meg Crofton announced it's return was playing the original recording, and she said "even the music will bring back memories" so I guess we'll wait and see!!

Edit: Here's the one I'm talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oh4kx_OEIA It starts about 10 seconds in. compare that to the music in Crofton's announcement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubwgD-LAl9k

Hey, good point. :D Hopefully you are right...but since when do Disney Presidents know their facts?


"In front of the American Pavilion on the same stage where Epcot was dedicated 25 Years ago today!"-Erin Wallace.


:lol:
 

rodserling27

Well-Known Member
Hey, good point. :D Hopefully you are right...but since when do Disney Presidents know their facts?


"In front of the American Pavilion on the same stage where Epcot was dedicated 25 Years ago today!"-Erin Wallace.


:lol:

Haha, I suppose this is true. I guess it really would not matter too much if WDW used the updated DCA-music from last summer, but I would much prefer the original. It just sounds so...perfect! It's true syntho-magnetic music on that Moog synthesizer! And it wouldn't be hard to add in music for the new floats and make it sound closer to the original. The new opening fanfare just doesn't exactly sound right to me (but I'll admit, I've only seen it on YouTube). It makes me optimistic that they played the original music in that Crofton clip, and there's no reason why they wouldn't play the new version if they were going to use it... but then on the Disney Parks blog they said the parade will return with "new audio technology" which could be BS talk for "we re-recorded it" or "we're using the new one."

I guess only time will tell! I'll be arriving after it premieres, so I'll have to count on folks reporting so I can best prepare myself :)
 

spectrodanny

Active Member
wasn't there more than one copy of this parade parade built? I thought there were 2 or 3 floating around. What happened to the others if there are any?

there were 3 complete versions of the EP built. one set for Disneyland, one for WDW & one for Tokyo

DL's ran from '72-'74 mostly in 2D. went on hiatus in '75 & '76. Came back in '77 w/ all floats in 3D. went on hiatus again in Summer of '83 & '84 (had a breif run in Spring of '83 before "Flights Of Fantasy" started. ran again at DL from returned in '85 w/ Peter Pan & Pinocchio Floats as well as the current ballroom float for Cinderella we see today - the Pixie dust lights) as well as a Return to Oz section which was pulled out on both coasts halfway through the summer. Disneyland's "Oz" fkloats caught fire backsatage that fall while WDW's were simply dismantled and used for other things. '88 saw a Birthday Cake float for Mickey's 60th (that is believed to be the only year Mickey was not on the train in the Disneyland version (Donald took his place) Parade ran at DL until '96 at which point they were stored until the Hercules premeire in NY then sent to WDW (Pinocchio & Dwarf Mine to Disneyland Paris

WDW debuted it's version in '77 as a result the soundtrack to the Electrical Water Pageant was updated that year. WDW's parade mirrored the DL version in it's first year then became different in '78 when the Neon Finale was removed from the Florida version while it ran for a second year in California. it is believed that the Florida version continued to run during the same time period the Anaheim version was on hiatus. in '85 the Florida version's only addition was the breif run of "Return To Oz" the parade ran at WDW until September 14th 1991. This was also the first time the Electrical Parade was seen outside a Disney park when the Alice & Pete's Dragon sections were used in the half-time show of the '78 Orange Bowl. this was also the first time the "Closing Fanfare" was heard. a float for Mickey's 60th was added in '78 and while I saw a video of it somewhere it was hard to tell if he was riding on that float or the train (the birthday float preceeded the Alice section). in '86 a 15th anniversary float preceeded the Alice section.
When the Parade returned in '99 utilizing the bulk of Disneyland's floats from, it's final season, the Peter Pan & 7 dwars section was seen for the first time in Florida as well as an expanded Dumbo's Circus section (WDW previously did not have Dumbo or the 2 3 ring circus units in their original version. it's latest run is the first timethe Tinkerbell, Pinocchio & Dwarf Mine floats are seen in Florida. this is also the first time the Patriotic Dancers have been used in Florida. the '99-'01 run was also the first time that Christmas music was heard in the U.S. version

Tokyo Disneyland also had a version of the parade that debuted in 1985. Due to the fact that Tokyo has no Main Street, the parade's title was changed to the "Tokyo Disneyland Electrical Parade. This version is somewhat different from the U.S. version as for instance, the Blue Fairy's royal pages did not carry the back of her dress but rather rode on horses behind her. There was also the addition of a section consisting of a mother swan and 3 babies. "swan Lake" was used as the music for this section. the Ballroom float was morizied rather than carried by wires and had a design similar to the design used in '77The Peter Pan section was added utilizing only the Pirate ship. The 7 dwarfs were represented in Tokyo's version only by their Mine float. The Small World section was the Finale for this version and had the biggest difference any of the 3 versions in that there were 6 floats, 3 of which were identical to the U.S. Version the 4th and 5th featured the pushcart dolls on motor driven floats while the finale to that section. a large ferris wheel was unique to Tokyo's Parade. w/ the exception of a "Sayonara" float that was added in '95 for the parade's final season the Tokyo version remained unchanged from year to year. During the Holiday season, 2 loops of Christmas music were added to the soundtrack. (i THINK they added that element in '93 (of the MANY facts i8 know about the parade this is one idk for certain)

Disneyland Paris

This version is not a carbon copy of the 3 previous versions, but more of a hodge-podge of floats from each version. The Parade opened in '92 w/ floats entirely from Florida (- the "To Honor America" unit) Small World was used as the finale for this parade in it's first year, then was misteriously absent the remaining 10 years. The Swan units from Tokyo were added in '97 and Pinnochio & the Dwarf Mine sections from Disneyland were added in '98. after the parade left Disneyland Paris the floats were returned to their respective parks. when the WDW floats returned they sat around Cwntral Shops for a couple years while being refurbed for relocation to Hong Kong where 3 years on, they reside to this day still in their crates. during the parade's 11 year run the presentation of the parade was like a revolving door w/ 1 or 2 sections absent each night. Some nights the back of the Blue Fairy's dress was not used. also the train from Florida was apparently wide enough to allow for 4 characters on it (occasionally Donald or Pluto would ride on the tender behind Goofy. This was also the first park to incorporate Christmas music into the soundtrack



Disney's California Adventure:

same basic parade as DL from '96 but re-titled "Disney's Electrical Parade" w/ Pinnocchio & Dwarf Mine added and Blue Fairy & Dumbo removed all in '09 Sylvania began sponsorship in '05 and "a California Classic" was replaced on the drum by "Presented By Sylvania"
I thionk that about covers everything (not including the enhancements to the parade today speaking of those while the bulk of the updated music was performed by Gregory Smith the floats that are unique to the U.S. had there music done by Bruce Healey of "Fantasmic"."Fantillusion" and "Light Tragic" fame

OK I THINK that about does it. if there are any ?'s let me know. hope all this info was helpful
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Al Lutz is saying today on his Miceage update that MSEP comes back to DCA this winter for a Christmas run, and then goes away again as the DCA parade route gets torn up in January due to the Buena Vista Street project.
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Disneyland gets an all-new parade in 2011 called Soundsational, and then DCA reopens its parade route through the rebuilt main entrance and Buena Vista Street in 2012 with a new day parade.

Al didn't mention what happens to the MSEP after it leaves DCA this Christmas, but from other posts here it goes back to WDW next summer for another Nightastic run.
 

HMF

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Al Lutz is saying today on his Miceage update that MSEP comes back to DCA this winter for a Christmas run, and then goes away again as the DCA parade route gets torn up in January due to the Buena Vista Street project.
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Disneyland gets an all-new parade in 2011 called Soundsational, and then DCA reopens its parade route through the rebuilt main entrance and Buena Vista Street in 2012 with a new day parade.

Al didn't mention what happens to the MSEP after it leaves DCA this Christmas, but from other posts here it goes back to WDW next summer for another Nightastic run.
So they keep switching it back and forth? Wouldn't that cost a bit much to constantly transport them between California and Florida?
 

mp2bill

Well-Known Member
I still think they should create a MSEP specifically for WDW and then randomly rotate MSEP and Spectro so that things don't get stale.
 
One float is new! The music is from tokyo and the rest of the parade is the same. This is not new. This is as new as CDCT. And resposes like this are why the MK parade has only had cosmetic changes for years

I have a question: Since DL and WDW often "share" parades, why couldn't Tokyo DL share a parade or two with WDW? Sure, I know the cost of shipping floats, etc., may be prohibitive but TDL has such awesome parades, it's a shame for us over here to not be able to see them.

:)
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I have a question: Since DL and WDW often "share" parades, why couldn't Tokyo DL share a parade or two with WDW? Sure, I know the cost of shipping floats, etc., may be prohibitive but TDL has such awesome parades, it's a shame for us over here to not be able to see them.

:)

I don't know that the word "often" could be used for this scenario. After Block Party Bash had run at DCA for a couple of years, they shipped it to WDW where it appears to be running long-term now. And they just let WDW "borrow" the MSEP for this summer and possibly next.

But other than those two examples, have there ever been other parades that were sent from one coast to the other? I can't think of anything. :confused:
 

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