Most bizarre things WDW has ever done.

Matt_Black

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I've never even seen Avatar and many people I know haven't either.

That doesn't matter. My sister has never seen a single episode of The Twilight Zone, but that hasn't prevented Tower of Terror from becoming one of her favorite rides, if not her most favorite. Same goes for Splash Mountain and Song of the South. If the Imagineers deliver, people will like it, word will spread, and THAT will be Avatar's pop cultural legacy, and it doesn't matter how well the sequels do after that.
 

DsnyFevr

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Yah....especially when it was supposed to be a followup to the much more endearing Kitchen Kabaret.
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Loved this show when I was a kid. The Lion King Show now in the Land building is awful..
 

DsnyFevr

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What does the Lion King have to do with it? I thought that KK and Food Rocks were where Soarin' now is....
That is where they were and just recently removed from behind the walls, I was just referring to shows in the land building from the past to the current as I feel they should have a show that directly goes with living with the land
 

Goofyernmost

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That doesn't matter. My sister has never seen a single episode of The Twilight Zone, but that hasn't prevented Tower of Terror from becoming one of her favorite rides, if not her most favorite. Same goes for Splash Mountain and Song of the South. If the Imagineers deliver, people will like it, word will spread, and THAT will be Avatar's pop cultural legacy, and it doesn't matter how well the sequels do after that.
Along with Journey Into Imagination, Indiana Jones and even Star Wars (both not seen by a lot more people that did see them). Since Avatar is the highest grossing movie of all time... more have seen that then some of the other stuff. Or is it just followers of AeroSmith that go to RnRC? Big thunder mountain have a fan club before being an attraction? What was first with popularity, Pirates of the Caribbean the ride or the movie. We could go on forever. What movie was Expedition Everest based on? Other then name familiarity, there really is no connection between the the popularity of the show and the response of the public to them. (OK, I guess I'll concede Frozen.)
 

MadMax11

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That doesn't matter. My sister has never seen a single episode of The Twilight Zone, but that hasn't prevented Tower of Terror from becoming one of her favorite rides, if not her most favorite. Same goes for Splash Mountain and Song of the South. If the Imagineers deliver, people will like it, word will spread, and THAT will be Avatar's pop cultural legacy, and it doesn't matter how well the sequels do after that.
Yep, I agree..with 1 small distinction....it's not just one ride, like with the examples you mentioned...it's literally an entire section of the park. I just think that's extremely bizarre, given the investment. If it were one ride, I wouldn't post it in this thread...in response to this particular question.
 

Matt_Black

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Yep, I agree..with 1 small distinction....it's not just one ride, like with the examples you mentioned...it's literally an entire section of the park. I just think that's extremely bizarre, given the investment. If it were one ride, I wouldn't post it in this thread...in response to this particular question.

People don't really watch westerns anymore, that hasn't hurt Frontierland any.
 

MadMax11

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This is a discussion board. One should expect comments to invite discussion. That's what I was doing.
Fair. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I can keep discussing my opinion with you, but I doubt it will change yours, either. This topic has been kicked like a dead horse in threads specifically about the subject, so I didn't want to hijack this one to serve that same purpose. It's not changing...there's going to be an entire section of a park based on Avatar. I'm not thrilled with that...I find it to be strange... but I hope to be surprised.
 

DisneyJunkie

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One of the most bizarre HAS to be the replacement of Maelstrom with this stupid Frozen-based attraction. Why? The very purpose of each pavilion in World Showcase is to educate (and entertain) people on the various cultures of different nations around the world. Maelstrom did that extremely well with the culture of Norway. Taking that out to stick in there an attraction that has NOTHING to do with the culture and history of Norway is - without any real question - a truly ridiculous decision. The Frozen attraction should be in Fantasyland for obvious reasons.
 

Goofyernmost

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One of the most bizarre HAS to be the replacement of Maelstrom with this stupid Frozen-based attraction. Why? The very purpose of each pavilion in World Showcase is to educate (and entertain) people on the various cultures of different nations around the world. Maelstrom did that extremely well with the culture of Norway. Taking that out to stick in there an attraction that has NOTHING to do with the culture and history of Norway is - without any real question - a truly ridiculous decision. The Frozen attraction should be in Fantasyland for obvious reasons.
The entrance area and the inside will still be a "culture of Norway" display. The ride Maelstrom, was an entertainment method that contained certain unexplained facets of Norway, but, hardly a history. It was there to basically draw people into the pavilion. Frozen has nothing to do with Norway, per say, but, does fit in there better then any other place I can think of. While all those people are waiting in line for that ride, they will unconsciously be learning about Norway where otherwise they might have skipped the whole area completely.

Try and separate the entertainment part from the "learning" part. When you do, you will find that it isn't all that terrible a thing to do. Maelstrom was cute, but, hardly a class A attraction. All we heard for years was how neglected it was. The polar bears were dirty and the displays had missing pieces. Hardly anyone really cared. It is really time to get over it. It's gone, it's not coming back and on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the worst that could happen the loss of it is about a -1 on the importance level.
 

DisneyJunkie

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The entrance area and the inside will still be a "culture of Norway" display. The ride Maelstrom, was an entertainment method that contained certain unexplained facets of Norway, but, hardly a history. It was there to basically draw people into the pavilion. Frozen has nothing to do with Norway, per say, but, does fit in there better then any other place I can think of. While all those people are waiting in line for that ride, they will unconsciously be learning about Norway where otherwise they might have skipped the whole area completely.

Try and separate the entertainment part from the "learning" part. When you do, you will find that it isn't all that terrible a thing to do. Maelstrom was cute, but, hardly a class A attraction. All we heard for years was how neglected it was. The polar bears were dirty and the displays had missing pieces. Hardly anyone really cared. It is really time to get over it. It's gone, it's not coming back and on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the worst that could happen the loss of it is about a -1 on the importance level.

To me, and I suspect many others, it won't ever make any sense. A fantasy attraction simply has no business being in an area that is meant to be more educational than anything else. There's no need to get over it - it's a terrible move and always will be. As far as the purpose of WS and the Norway pavilion is concerned, I'd put it up there with a 10 on your little scale. It simply does not fit and does not belong in that area.
 

Goofyernmost

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To me, and I suspect many others, it won't ever make any sense. A fantasy attraction simply has no business being in an area that is meant to be more educational than anything else. There's no need to get over it - it's a terrible move and always will be. As far as the purpose of WS and the Norway pavilion is concerned, I'd put it up there with a 10 on your little scale. It simply does not fit and does not belong in that area.
Again, I understand what you are saying, however, it is becoming more and more obvious that education is no longer the focus of Epcot. It hasn't been for a long time. All our longing for the "good old days" is not going to change that. Based on the current demands from the public and the need to have a strong draw in Epcot is what determines the focus now and it is, as far as I can tell, a combination of education and entertainment, not combined like it once was as edutainment, but separate entities.
 

DisneyJunkie

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Again, I understand what you are saying, however, it is becoming more and more obvious that education is no longer the focus of Epcot. It hasn't been for a long time. All our longing for the "good old days" is not going to change that. Based on the current demands from the public and the need to have a strong draw in Epcot is what determines the focus now and it is, as far as I can tell, a combination of education and entertainment, not combined like it once was as edutainment, but separate entities.

You're right about that. The more the corporation gets away from Disney's early goals for these parks, the harder it is for those who wanted to see them or have had to watch them get thrown out for the almighty $.
 

Goofyernmost

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You're right about that. The more the corporation gets away from Disney's early goals for these parks, the harder it is for those who wanted to see them or have had to watch them get thrown out for the almighty $.
As much as I understand that we have to remember that the entire reason that WDW exists is for the almighty dollar and it has been that way since December 1966 when the only person that saw it differently, as his baby and his dreams realized, passed away. After 50 years it seems like we should have all been intelligent enough to come to terms with that fact by now and enjoy WDW or any other Disney park for what it is... a fun place where a group of suits make a lot of money in the process.
 

Figaro928

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I get the whys of it now, but I also thought Snow White's Scary Adventure was a strange choice for a Disney park. "let's take a beloved animated classic, make a ride and put it in a family park....oh but let's make it dark and scary to frighten all the little ones"
 

Bairstow

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I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer before this even opens...but I think it's intensely bizarre to devote an entire land...an entire section of a park...not just 1 attraction.....to intellectual property that's as culturally irrelevant as Avatar is. When I saw the ideas for it and read about the dollars being dropped in to it, I was shocked. An attraction? Sure. An entire section of a theme park? I don't get it. And I think it is far and away the most bizarre decision I've seen with regard to WDW decision making....

I hope to be surprised, though.

You're not the first one to make this observation, but we've had entire threads on this.
...Probably like, 20 threads on this very question.
 

MadMax11

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You're not the first one to make this observation, but we've had entire threads on this.
...Probably like, 20 threads on this very question.
Yep. I mentioned that in a reply post in this thread. It's still my answer to the question posed by the original poster,though.
 

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