More WDI Layoffs Planned?

[wdwmagic]

Imagineer Boy and speck76, can you hold fire on the insults?

 

[Shaman]

As a side note...the disney NDA is really strict, not only does it prevent you from talking about the projects going on, but in some cases it prevents from discussing the events surrounding actions such as lay offs. (In some warped way it could expose future plans within the company..so they dont let you talk about it). Only a fool would go against the Disney NDA, and I can give a strong assumption that its the cause of why we never get "the whole story" from MANY who disney have let go.

and thats my 2 cents

Good point...I guess that's why we get so much speculation and false reports/rumors of the reasons and reactions etc....the only people who know the full story are the ones involved...

 

[mrtoad]

And ofcorse Grizz posts about how things are bad. Because they really are! You just don't want to listen. Simple as that.

Some people have on rose colored glasses and refuse to see when things are bad. When someone points out something being bad people jump all over them like they are negative about everything. I have read Grizz say quite a few things that are new or are going on are good but nobody mentions those. They just bash him for pointing out something he thinks is wrong.

For some reason it seems like many on these forums are jumping at others lately if they point something out as negative and then they chalk it up to "dissagreeing" rather than "attacking" when they really are.

It is really sad. I thought that everyone was entitled to their opinion or there own thoughts. Does others need to attack or fight with them about it.

 

[imagineer boy]

Woah, I thought this thread was closed?

 

[Enderikari]

Some people have on rose colored glasses and refuse to see when things are bad. When someone points out something being bad people jump all over them like they are negative about everything. I have read Grizz say quite a few things that are new or are going on are good but nobody mentions those. They just bash him for pointing out something he thinks is wrong.

For some reason it seems like many on these forums are jumping at others lately if they point something out as negative and then they chalk it up to "dissagreeing" rather than "attacking" when they really are.

It is really sad. I thought that everyone was entitled to their opinion or there own thoughts. Does others need to attack or fight with them about it.

You wanna know why Grizz is known for his negative attitude... Simple, D-Troops.. That website was a haven for all those folks who can't see the magical forest through the trees. Pictures of paint chips, or the propagation of internet rumors about attractions rumored to close; all negative, all Grizz's personal agendas. Anyways, I don't want to get too far into the whole politics of it, but it did seem for awhile that Grizz was amassing his own personal cult here, who would be willing to believe everything out of that guys mouth. He was right about somethings, but most things he blew way out of proportion. Am I sad he is gone? Sure, he provided an interesting, if misguided opinion on Disney. But, I won't miss his rabble-rousing and demagoguery. I won't miss his inability to recognize the magic all around him, because he was too busy grousing.

 

[darthdarrel]

You wanna know why Grizz is known for his negative attitude... Simple, D-Troops.. That website was a haven for all those folks who can't see the magical forest through the trees. Pictures of paint chips, or the propagation of internet rumors about attractions rumored to close; all negative, all Grizz's personal agendas. Anyways, I don't want to get too far into the whole politics of it, but it did seem for awhile that Grizz was amassing his own personal cult here, who would be willing to believe everything out of that guys mouth. He was right about somethings, but most things he blew way out of proportion. Am I sad he is gone? Sure, he provided an interesting, if misguided opinion on Disney. But, I won't miss his rabble-rousing and demagoguery. I won't miss his inability to recognize the magic all around him, because he was too busy grousing.

Why did you
reopen this thread Steve?
I still beleive there is Magic in the air as you put it, but at the same time it is unreaslistic to beleive that everything is just fairy dust and fairy godmothers either.

 

[Tim G]

Good point...I guess that's why we get so much speculation and false reports/rumors of the reasons and reactions etc....the only people who know the full story are the ones involved...

Vely Funny... Vely Funny, make nice wonton soup fol you... :lol:

 

[Tim G]

This is an incredibly naive attitude. The large appeal of Pixar is its technology combined with an entertaining story. Its not all or nothing, its both Grizzle Fashizzle.

2D animation films aren't made because they've become almost irrelevant and or boring. Just like how its a waste these days to buy a film camera, a majority of people will trade in for the newer technology -- digital. Are you using a punchcard to access your files on your computer? No, its most likely through RAM and a hard disk.

So let me guess Grizzle, your next t.v. is going to be a b and white tube because hey, it tells the same great stories? No, you will eventually want the next innovative technologies (even if you are the last to adopt them which sounds like you would) such as LCD, Plasma and super thin rear projection.

See the forrest for the trees -- innovation is part of what makes entertainment entertaining. Do you prefer board games over video games too?

Luddite.

This sounds way to sarcastic...
You don't know Grizz...
Grizz and I got our differences, but we respect each other...
So there's no reason at all fot you to take such a tone against him...

Tnx.

 

[prberk]

Why did you
reopen this thread Steve?
I still beleive there is Magic in the air as you put it, but at the same time it is unreaslistic to beleive that everything is just fairy dust and fairy godmothers either.

I think I have to agree that perhaps this thread should be closed again.

At any rate, I recognize both sides of the issues here, and I want to say that I don't like it for things to become unnecessarily hurtful.

Griz goes overboard sometimes in his passion here; but others are also very snippy back to him. He is NOT always negative. I have posted earlier examples of things that he has praised (the new parades, Wishes, TOT, and Philharmagic among them), but his passionate defense of the "Disney way" as he sees it (which I believe also needs to be at least taught and engendered with long-term cast members who mix with and occasionally mentor new CMs) gets heated sometimes and often overshadows his praises for things WDW is doing.

I personally believe that, although some "outsourcing" is useful for specific skills and projects, there is a unique value to the true Disney distinctives that are best served by keeping a significant core of creative "imagineers" who have loyalty and understand the company's distinctive value. Outsourced people simply will not have this at their core. This is NOT to say that imagineers on payroll should be allowed to become dead weight. They should always be challenged, but that is often more a function of the corporarte culture than simply the threat of competition. Exciting, challenging work, where you know that you make a difference, goes a long way. Success breeds success.

As for Griz, I believe that he simply wants to preserve the "magic" of Disney that affected him so much as a youngster, for future generations. But he goes overboard sometimes... and so do others, in their responses.

Many here have taken legitimate opinions contrary to his (or others), but have resorted to name-calling and snipping. Lord knows, we are all capable of going overboard, or getting too personal.

I personally appreciate the variety of opinion here; but sometimes the discussion has lost focus and just needs to end for a while. As hard as this is for me to say, in all humility, I say perhaps this is that time. If not, let's please keep everything civil and recognize the value that everyone brings to the table...

Paul

 

[mrtoad]

I have to dissagree. I have read where he also loved some of the new stuff going on such as Turtle Talk with Crush. Just because someone see something bad going on and doesn't pretend it does not exist does not mean that he is all negative, just realistic.

I also see lots of bad stuff happening in the past half a decade or more but I also see some of that being fixed now but still needs work. Does that mean I don't see all the great stuff happening, not at all. There is tons of good stuff going on at WDW but there is still work to be done.

While I might not always agree with what someone says or thinks about something like Grizz does, I totally respect their passion about WDW. He cares about it very much and that is important. Sure his and others views are personal but if you don't take somethings pesonally do you really care a ton about them?

Just because his opinion is different than someone else's does not make him a bad guy or even wrong or right. Everyone has the right to feel as they do and for people to jump on them for that is wrong. If someone does not want to read his posts, then they shouldn't. Or if the want to and dissagree they should but there is no need to jump on someone for how they feel, it is not right...

You wanna know why Grizz is known for his negative attitude... Simple, D-Troops.. That website was a haven for all those folks who can't see the magical forest through the trees. Pictures of paint chips, or the propagation of internet rumors about attractions rumored to close; all negative, all Grizz's personal agendas. Anyways, I don't want to get too far into the whole politics of it, but it did seem for awhile that Grizz was amassing his own personal cult here, who would be willing to believe everything out of that guys mouth. He was right about somethings, but most things he blew way out of proportion. Am I sad he is gone? Sure, he provided an interesting, if misguided opinion on Disney. But, I won't miss his rabble-rousing and demagoguery. I won't miss his inability to recognize the magic all around him, because he was too busy grousing.

 

[GenerationX]

Let's say there is a rumor that something is to change at WDW or within the Disney organization. There's some sketchy information available - some of it may be right on target, some of it may be pure speculation. How do you respond to this?

Some will be up for the change, whatever it is. Others will take a wait and see attitude until more concrete information is available. Finally, there are others who will immediately have a negative opinion.

The middle ground is the most reasonable approach. Those that don't take that avenue tend to attract challengers to their extreme position.

 

[mrtoad]

While I agree with that, some do it in a not so nice manner is all. Everyone does not have to agree, the world would be boring. But to attack is a bit much.

Not saying everyone who disagrees did attack but some did though.

Let's say there is a rumor that something is to change at WDW or within the Disney organization. There's some sketchy information available - some of it may be right on target, some of it may be pure speculation. How do you respond to this?

Some will be up for the change, whatever it is. Others will take a wait and see attitude until more concrete information is available. Finally, there are others who will immediately have a negative opinion.

The middle ground is the most reasonable approach. Those that don't take that avenue tend to attract challengers to their extreme position.

 

[Woody13]

Just because someone see something bad going on and doesn't pretend it does not exist does not mean that he is all negative, just realistic.

Just because his opinion is different than someone else's does not make him a bad guy or even wrong or right....

The problem is bigger. Grizz has often either mistakenly or on purpose reported Disney rumors as fact. Either way, his credibility suffers. Last year about this time Grizz performed his call-to-arms to Save The Land. Well, now we can look back and clearly see that The Land didn't need to be saved! Grizz got all puffed up about nothing!

That incident was just one example. Remember the Astro Orbiter planets? Grizz has gone on other "save" campaigns that were not worth the effort. Some have even said that Grizz has done harm, but I won't go that far. However, I will say that all this "information" from Grizz often turns out to be really misinformation. Spreading rumors can be very harmful!


I think we all know about The Boy Who Cried Wolf .

 

[mrtoad]

Yes, spreading rumors can be very harmful but tons of people do that here all the time. Yes people can panic because of some of these things but until something happens and unless you are one of the few in the know, everything you say that you hear is going to happen or could be happen is rumor.

I just think people should not jump on other so quick is all. I guess I am just looking for peace.

Also people saying stuff because he points out chipping paint and such is bad. It is not, it is true that stuff exists and I think it is a shame as well. Him wanting that fixed is not a bad thing. We pay a lot of money to go to WDW and to have some things look like the way they do sometimes is not right.

It is the same as if you were to rent a house at the beach and you looked on a realtor's website and the photos show it as a nice place with new couches, fresh paint and a nice new TV but then you get there and the couches are now ripped, the paint is peeling and the TV has a bad picture. If that happened you would most likely call the realtor and either demand your money back or part of your money back.

Grizz or others point that out and asking Disney to fix them is not a bad thing at all. At least in my opinion.

The problem is bigger. Grizz has often either mistakenly or on purpose reported Disney rumors as fact. Either way, his credibility suffers. Last year about this time Grizz performed his call-to-arms to Save The Land. Well, now we can look back and clearly see that The Land didn't need to be saved! Grizz got all puffed up about nothing!

That incident was just one example. Remember the Astro Orbiter planets? Grizz has gone on other "save" campaigns that were not worth the effort. Some have even said that Grizz has done harm, but I won't go that far. However, I will say that all this "information" from Grizz often turns out to be really misinformation. Spreading rumors can be very harmful!


I think we all know about The Boy Who Cried Wolf .

 

[Woody13]

Yes, spreading rumors can be very harmful but tons of people do that here all the time. Yes people can panic because of some of these things but until something happens and unless you are one of the few in the know, everything you say that you hear is going to happen or could be happen is rumor.

I just think people should not jump on other so quick is all. I guess I am just looking for peace.

Also people saying stuff because he points out chipping paint and such is bad. It is not, it is true that stuff exists and I think it is a shame as well. Him wanting that fixed is not a bad thing. We pay a lot of money to go to WDW and to have some things look like the way they do sometimes is not right.

It is the same as if you were to rent a house at the beach and you looked on a realtor's website and the photos show it as a nice place with new couches, fresh paint and a nice new TV but then you get there and the couches are now ripped, the paint is peeling and the TV has a bad picture. If that happened you would most likely call the realtor and either demand your money back or part of your money back.

Grizz or others point that out and asking Disney to fix them is not a bad thing at all. At least in my opinion.

It's one thing to spread a rumor, but another thing to rally support from Disney fans and manipulate them to storm the castle!

 

[mrtoad]

It's one thing to spread a rumor, but another thing to rally support from Disney fans and manipulate them to storm the castle!

I guess but it is not like they do it at gunpoint. They have a right to turn away as well.

Believe me I don't agree with everything he says or anything anyone says for that matter but I will listen and either agree or disagree. It is not like you have to drink the cool aid.

I am not trying to fight with anyone about it, I just think that some people have gone over the edge at times when responding, not just responding to him either. It just seems that lately some have really gone into attack mode when they disagree and others (like myself) will get defensive when attacked. It makes for a bad situation all around. I also feel that some people because it is a forum and not in person will attack as it is easy to do when you are nowhere near the person you are attacking. They are at a nice safe distance so they feel it is ok as nothing can happen to them.

 

[Woody13]

Believe me I don't agree with everything he says or anything anyone says for that matter but I will listen and either agree or disagree. It is not like you have to drink the cool aid.

It just seems that lately some have really gone into attack mode when they disagree and others (like myself) will get defensive when attacked. It makes for a bad situation all around. I also feel that some people because it is a forum and not in person will attack as it is easy to do when you are nowhere near the person you are attacking. They are at a nice safe distance so they feel it is ok as nothing can happen to them.

Actually, it seems to me that Grizz has a cult following and many of them would drink the Kool-Aid at his suggestion. That, to me, is the sad part. Grizz is actually doing a disservice to his fellow Disney Dweebs, because he continually fails to get the facts straight. Steve had to warn him awhile back to refrain from his repeated alarmist posts.

Now, you say he does all this because of his passion for Disney. Well, I don't know his motives but based upon his number of posts, he sure has a lot a spare time on his hands. However, if you are right, then his passion has led him down way too many dead end streets and he has brought a lot of other traffic with him.

I disagree about the "attack mode" statement. To disagree or call someone out is not an attack IMO. Just don't urinate on my leg and tell me it's raining.

 

[mrtoad]

I don't know what else to say. I don't think all that have disagreed did attack, I just think some went to far is all.

I guess I just disagree with the way somethings are handled is all.

And don't worry your leg is safe from me. :lol:

Actually, it seems to me that Grizz has a cult following and many of them would drink the Kool-Aid at his suggestion. That, to me, is the sad part. Grizz is actually doing a disservice to his fellow Disney Dweebs, because he continually fails to get the facts straight. Steve had to warn him awhile back to refrain from his repeated alarmist posts.

Now, you say he does all this because of his passion for Disney. Well, I don't know his motives but based upon his number of posts, he sure has a lot a spare time on his hands. However, if you are right, then his passion has led him down way too many dead end streets and he has brought a lot of other traffic with him.

I disagree about the "attack mode" statement. To disagree or call someone out is not an attack IMO. Just don't urinate on my leg and tell me it's raining.

 

[Woody13]

I don't know what else to say. I don't think all that have disagreed did attack, I just think some went to far is all.

I guess I just disagree with the way somethings are handled is all.

And don't worry your leg is safe from me. :lol:

Mrtoad, you and I are simpatico. I think Grizz needed this wake up call. Whether or not he'll learn from it is another matter. Grizz has an ego as big as all outdoors and you can be sure that he is reading every post. He likes the status and revels in the attention. He'll be back because educators don't feel fulfilled unless they are able to warp youthful minds.

 

[speck76]

What Grizz does not seem to understand (and niether do the kiddies that follow him) is that WDC TODAY is not that different than 15 or more years ago....the only thing that is different is that the internet allows the spread of information that could not happen in the past.....