MiklCraw4d
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speck76 said:
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Yes, Bruce Gordon was obviously a serial killer and deserved what he got.
Geez.
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Yes, Bruce Gordon was obviously a serial killer and deserved what he got.
Geez.
MiklCraw4d
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General Grizz said:
Wow. Just wow.
I wonder how long Tony Baxter has?
I had hoped that this massive hemorraging of creative talent was going to stop with the end of Eisner's tenure but now I'm not so sure. These are core creative personnel they're letting go at this point. These are people who have a proven track record and were still putting out good or great work.
I just fear that all that'll be left will be the middle management adminstrators who are responsible for all the problems in the first place.
I really wonder what Sklar's thoughts about this are.
MiklCraw4d
Member
General Grizz said:
Amen. Pixar movies aren't popular because they're 3-D; it's because they have very well written stories and fantastic characters and acting. There have been a lot of 3-D movies that have flopped in recent years just because they took the same crap-by-committee approach that doomed recent Disney 2-D efforts. Look at the absolute failure of Valiant, for instance. Disney thought they could have someone crank out something and it would be a Pixar-size hit just because it was 3-D. They're finding out that that isn't exactly the case.
"Home on the Range", "Brother Bear", and "Treasure Planet" would all have failed even as 3-D features. While there were redeeming features in each (well, maybe not in HOTR), there wasn't a single creative vision behind them and they were focus-grouped to death. They were films made by accountants.
Look at "Lilo & Stitch", which *did* have the qualities that make Pixar films great. It was 2-D (and watercolor!) and it was a big hit. And it was made by two guys with a creative vision who were left to their own devices because the studio didn't really care about the project. The result was a creative success.
It doesn't matter what the medium is; it matters what the material is.
MiklCraw4d
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wannab@dis said:Right... and bashing Disney has a point!?!?!
There is such a thing as creative criticism...
MiklCraw4d
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imagineer boy said:
Dude, you owe me a keyboard because I just snorted soda all over mine.
mrtoad
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While I can't argue that as I am not into watching what the company itself does, I am more into just the parks and I do know that in the 1970s there was less paint shipping and such. I also think though that things have been getting better than they were a few short years ago. Is there work to be done, yes. Will there always be work to be done, yes. I just believe that if things were taken care of when they happen, then the damage would not be so bad or hard and long to fix.
speck76 said:
mousermerf
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In the 1970's, 3 of the 4 WDW parks didn't exist. It's hard for paint to chip if it hasn't been painted yet.
Everything has a lifespan, including paint. Grizz didn't post about all the work going on in MGM to repaint pretty much everything, and replacing all the signage as part of a preventive maitenance schedule. Things like this are constantly overlooked, but take for example what is reported: the road surface of mainstreet USA was developing pot holes and people starting griping about it here immediately.
The solution? Disney had scheduled a refurb of repaving a week before anyone complained, but due to time constraints and scheduling (you can't tell all your employees that do shows on the trolly and drive mainstreet vehicles and transport the horses to and from mainstreet not to show up willy-nilly) it didn't happen for another week or two.
You can say it was different because you saw no chipping paint. I saw no chipping paint in the late 90's and early 2000. I still go entire months without seeing chipping paint.
Everything has a lifespan, including paint. Grizz didn't post about all the work going on in MGM to repaint pretty much everything, and replacing all the signage as part of a preventive maitenance schedule. Things like this are constantly overlooked, but take for example what is reported: the road surface of mainstreet USA was developing pot holes and people starting griping about it here immediately.
The solution? Disney had scheduled a refurb of repaving a week before anyone complained, but due to time constraints and scheduling (you can't tell all your employees that do shows on the trolly and drive mainstreet vehicles and transport the horses to and from mainstreet not to show up willy-nilly) it didn't happen for another week or two.
You can say it was different because you saw no chipping paint. I saw no chipping paint in the late 90's and early 2000. I still go entire months without seeing chipping paint.
mrtoad
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Yes the other parks were not there then. But the stuff (some of it anway) was. I do applaud the preventive maitenance, I think that is great.
But I do see the peeling paint, I see it all over. It is not hard to find. That does not mean it is all bad, it is not. There are many things that are looking great, most in fact. But to say there is none would be incorrect.
But I do see the peeling paint, I see it all over. It is not hard to find. That does not mean it is all bad, it is not. There are many things that are looking great, most in fact. But to say there is none would be incorrect.
mousermerf said:
mousermerf
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But you have to look for it - you don't see things like falling apart in plain view very often. It happens, yes, but Disney still fixes them ASAP.
Bet you've never seen a ceiling panel fall off in the Wonders of Life - it happens every so often though, and looks horrid. It gets fixed right away. Same goes for the panels that used to fall off in the theaters at the Living Seas.
I guess with how often I'm able to go, i understand things break, change, get fixed, daily. I don't think anyone is trying to not get things done or putting them on the back burner. If you go often enough, you start seeing how often they change the flowers in the planters - which is mind boggling often. Where do they get all those flowers?
Bet you've never seen a ceiling panel fall off in the Wonders of Life - it happens every so often though, and looks horrid. It gets fixed right away. Same goes for the panels that used to fall off in the theaters at the Living Seas.
I guess with how often I'm able to go, i understand things break, change, get fixed, daily. I don't think anyone is trying to not get things done or putting them on the back burner. If you go often enough, you start seeing how often they change the flowers in the planters - which is mind boggling often. Where do they get all those flowers?
mrtoad
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I see somethings in plain site that are chipping. We rode in 2 cars on Aladdin's Magic Carpets that were badly peeling. Rode Dumbo same thing. Did the Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse (first time in about a decade) and one of the railings was so bad you could see the metal rail under the rubbery cover that was over it.
Does that mean it is all bad? No, not at all. We did It's a Small World for the first time since it was rehabed and I think it looks awesome. I think they did excellent job on it. I am not a huge fan of the attraction to be honest but I think the work they did on it made it look a 100 times better.
No, I have never seen the ceiling of Wonders of Life ever. It is always closed when we go.
And yes they they do an awesome job on the landscaping. I think it is beautiful.
Believe me it is still the nicest set of parks around. I just notice when things need work. I am not saying they need to be important to everyone else. I am not saying you or anyone else is wrong if it does not bother you. And I don't let it ruin my vacation at all. I still would prefer to go to WDW over anything else. I have been going since I was about and most of my best family memories all come from WDW. It is a place where you can sit an enjoy a great show with a sister you would normally being fighting with (at least that was my experience growing up) :lol:
Does that mean it is all bad? No, not at all. We did It's a Small World for the first time since it was rehabed and I think it looks awesome. I think they did excellent job on it. I am not a huge fan of the attraction to be honest but I think the work they did on it made it look a 100 times better.
No, I have never seen the ceiling of Wonders of Life ever. It is always closed when we go.
And yes they they do an awesome job on the landscaping. I think it is beautiful.
Believe me it is still the nicest set of parks around. I just notice when things need work. I am not saying they need to be important to everyone else. I am not saying you or anyone else is wrong if it does not bother you. And I don't let it ruin my vacation at all. I still would prefer to go to WDW over anything else. I have been going since I was about and most of my best family memories all come from WDW. It is a place where you can sit an enjoy a great show with a sister you would normally being fighting with (at least that was my experience growing up) :lol:
Lee
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Tony will have a job as long as he wants it. I've heard whispers that Matt Ouimet tried to get him to leave WDI and sign on as permanant creative head at Disneyland. Didn't happen, but sort of shows his security.MiklCraw4d said:
Marty is an ok guy, but is no stranger to office politics. He'll go along with whatever comes from the top.
nibblesandbits
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mousermerf said:
I don't go that often, but I still know that it's a theme park and there is obviously going to be some wear and tear on things like paint and the streets. Everything is not going to be perfect because the combination of all the parks are so massive in size, that it would be next to impossible to fix things as soon as they happen. Like merf said...it's not just one park anymore that they have to deal with...it's 4. (Plus, BB, TL, DTD, etc)
mrtoad
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Yes there is more but they should also have more people to take care of it then.
I don't expect anything to be done as soon as they happen but waiting until the damage is so far gone that things need replacing is not the right way to go about it. It's like if you had a wooden fence around your yard and you don't keep waterproofing it, eventually it will rot and need to be replaced. If you did the right thing up front it would not happen. Sure things don't last forever but if you can do some preventive medicine they last longer and will look better longer.
Regardless this was not what this thread was about to begin with and it has taken another path....
I don't expect anything to be done as soon as they happen but waiting until the damage is so far gone that things need replacing is not the right way to go about it. It's like if you had a wooden fence around your yard and you don't keep waterproofing it, eventually it will rot and need to be replaced. If you did the right thing up front it would not happen. Sure things don't last forever but if you can do some preventive medicine they last longer and will look better longer.
Regardless this was not what this thread was about to begin with and it has taken another path....
nibblesandbits said:
FigmentJedi
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Regarding this Trail of Tears of Disney's talent, and out of Imagineering for that matter, I humbly use the words of Space Ghost
mrtoad
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speck76 said:
No it was not but I went from 1972 on so I know I did not see it. I have also discussed with my father as well and he also sees the difference.
Again, though I do think they are taking a turn for the better. The parks were dirty a few years ago and they don't seem that way to me now.
brich
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Funny how extremists from one side can so effortlessly put down the extremist on the other side. How do you invest such passion to debunk anothers passionate ways? It's also appalling to me that the post numbers of these engaged in this disappointing thread are so high. One even putting another poster down for having a small post number. Despite the perceived reputation Grizz has on here by some, he does offer an opinion. One that may be negative to those who believe they are of the positive. What his posts do offer is the chance to offer your opposing opinions. But it appears some take all this a bit to passionate and personal and therefore, must make personal attacks. At the end of the day my Disney peeps, it's about entertainment. It's about a theme park and cartoons. It's about fun, fantasy and magic. Yet once again we see the ugly side rearing it's nasty head.
Regardless of who loses their job, remember, they are people with families who work their 40 hrs for the sole purpose of giving us the Magic we love so much. The same Magic that fuels such passion within these boards. Anybody who can openly support someone losing their job, no matter what the corporate reasoning, is extremely selfish. No Magic in this thread... :wave:
Regardless of who loses their job, remember, they are people with families who work their 40 hrs for the sole purpose of giving us the Magic we love so much. The same Magic that fuels such passion within these boards. Anybody who can openly support someone losing their job, no matter what the corporate reasoning, is extremely selfish. No Magic in this thread... :wave: