More "after hours" hard ticket dates

[CaptainAmerica]

I knew I liked you, especially for your logical thinking.

My logical thinking has always been free, but starting in 2019 I'll be doing my thinking exclusively on a private blog, accessible only to those who pay me $49.99 per minute they spend on the site.

 

[kong1802]

A theme park company has no responsibilities when it comes to pricing. It's 100% a frivolous expenditure.


You (and others) keep talking about how things were in past years with regard to what was offered and what was charged. No, you didn't use the word "owed," but everything you said indicated that paying a certain price for a certain product somehow entitles you to get the same product for the same price for as long as you want it.

Simply pointing out that there used to be more hours offered. Now, pointing out that one is paying more, and getting less hours. If you want to spin that into the ever popular "entitled" box for your argument, I can't stop you.....But facts are facts, no matter the spin placed on them.

 

[21stamps]

My logical thinking has always been free, but starting in 2019 I'll be doing my thinking exclusively on a private blog, accessible only to those who pay me $49.99 per minute they spend on the site.

Sorry bud, my monetary threshold on that is $0.00.

 

[kong1802]

You keep saying that they “took away” which would mean that they owe you more.. and now have reduced it, Or am I misunderstanding the “took away” part?

Don't think I kept saying "took away".....Think I displayed hours, and showed how they were less....

Looks like we are headed back to "switch it up" territory...

 

[kong1802]

Sorry bud, my monetary threshold on that is $0.00.

I still don't think you'd be getting a good deal.....

 

[21stamps]

Don't think I kept saying "took away".....Think I displayed hours, and showed how they were less....

Looks like we are headed back to "switch it up" territory...

I apologize for using synonyms in a conversation.
Switch, Change.
Take away, Reduce.

It won’t happen again.

 

[kong1802]

I apologize for using synonyms in a conversation.
Switch, Change.
Take away, Reduce.

It won’t happen again.

So stating a fact, hours are reduced, means to you that I'm saying, "they took away hours that they owe me"? I'm pointing out a fact, and stating how it may change the value of the destination. If it doesn't for you, that's great. But don't come in projecting your entitlement on me.....

ETA: if they start closing MK at 6, and start offering hard ticket events after that, I'm pretty sure you'd evaluate the value then also. Thresholds are different, as we've discussed.......Pointing out a trend that the park used to close at 11, 12, or even 1 in the past, and then started closing at 10, and now is selling back those late hours is in no way out of bounds. It's worth noting. It's ok to point things out that start getting close to the threshold. Doesn't have to hit it to warrant conversation.

 

[DryerLintFan]

I still don't think you'd be getting a good deal.....

I like you.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Sorry bud, my monetary threshold on that is $0.00.

"You want to talk about a supply and demand problem? I sell ice for a living."

 

[21stamps]

So stating a fact, hours are reduced, means to you that I'm saying, "they took away hours that they owe me"? I'm pointing out a fact, and stating how it may change the value of the destination. If it doesn't for you, that's great. But don't come in projecting your entitlement on me.....

ETA: if they start closing MK at 6, and start offering hard ticket events after that, I'm pretty sure you'd evaluate the value then also. Thresholds are different, as we've discussed.......Pointing out a trend that the park used to close at 11, 12, or even 1 in the past, and then started closing at 10, and now is selling back those late hours is in no way out of bounds. It's worth noting. It's ok to point things out that start getting close to the threshold. Doesn't have to hit it to warrant conversation.

I evaluate value based on what it offered right now. Again, I thought everyone did this.
Apparently not though. That’s ok, but realize what you’re saying, which is-
“Disney is providing Less than what they offered Yesterday so I’m angry and I’m going to create a thread about it and now I don’t think I’m getting as much value.” However, there’s no way to know if the “included 1am closings” would have taken place with or without the after hours event on those specific dates.

Here’s all I can say, Welcome to what the Amusement Park/Theme Park category has done for the past several years.

It’s ok to remember the past, but I hope you don’t make today’s decisions based on ‘what was’. We’d all still be drinking “free” tap water if we did that.,

 

[kong1802]

I evaluate value based on what it offered right now. Again, I thought everyone did this.
Apparently not though. That’s ok, but realize what you’re saying, which is-
“Disney is providing Less than what they offered Yesterday so I’m angry and I’m going to create a thread about it and now I don’t think I’m getting as much value.” However, there’s no way to know if the “included 1am closings” would have taken place with or without the after hours event on those specific dates.

Here’s all I can say, Welcome to what the Amusement Park/Theme Park category has done for the past several years.

It’s ok to remember the past, but I hope you don’t make today’s decisions based on ‘what was’. We’d all still be drinking “free” tap water if we did that.,

It's also ok to look at trends.....

Not sure where I displayed anger, again, projecting?

You can't dispute the fact that hours have lessened. Its indisputable. If you don't want to look at the trend, by all means, don't. I won't judge you. Just don't be angry at those who like to examine these things.

 

[Chef Mickey]

This is all a response to not expanding enough and managing guests through increased pricing. They have no choice. People WANT the parks without all the damn people, excuse the language.

I would be perfectly willing to way the $125 for 3 hours of uninterrupted and light crowds at the MK in the cooler night weather. GLADLY.

I'm glad they are doing it, but I wish they'd just have a lot more attractions to spread out the people.

 

[21stamps]

It's also ok to look at trends.....

Not sure where I displayed anger, again, projecting?

You can't dispute the fact that hours have lessened. Its indisputable. If you don't want to look at the trend, by all means, don't. I won't judge you. Just don't be angry at those who like to examine these things.

I’m not angry at all. I realize the changes. Not just at Disney, but everywhere. It is what it is. Maybe I don’t see the point of dwelling on things like that, but apparently other people do.
I guess I just always wonder why people can be constantly be so negative about a place that they claim to love, and consciously choose to spend their money on.

 

[kong1802]

I’m not angry at all. I realize the changes. Not just at Disney, but everywhere. It is what it is. Maybe I don’t see the point of dwelling on things like that, but apparently other people do.
I guess I just always wonder why people can be constantly be so negative about a place that they claim to love, and consciously choose to spend their money on.

That's an interesting take. If you like WDW, accept everything they do 100%. If you don't like something they do, keep it to yourself.... ok, I'll work on that.........

 

[21stamps]

That's an interesting take. If you like WDW, accept everything they do 100%. If you don't like something they do, keep it to yourself.... ok, I'll work on that.........

That’s not what I said. Vent, sure.
But if you catch yourself in thread after thread , or convo after convo talking about the diminished value at WDW, then maybe it’s time to reassess personal choices on vacation destinations. Disney is not a “need” in life, in any aspect. It’s purely a “want”. As such, it will continue to evolve, change, switch, etc etc etc. with pricing and with options. Just like every single other form of entertainment.

 

[xdan0920]

A theme park company has no responsibilities when it comes to pricing. It's 100% a frivolous expenditure.

Gotta disagree with you here. They of course have a responsibility when it comes to pricing. It’s not a crime to rip people off by charging for 3 hours that up until a couple years ago were included in standard admission. But it is a problem. Do enough of that kind of crap, and you’ll maybe, doubtfully, off enough marks, er... customers, I mean...guests, that business will suffer. And then who’s responsible?

Also. And maybe this is antiquated thinking, a company like Disney has a responsibility to treat its patrons in a manner befitting the reputation and history of the company. They have a responsibility to treat guests with respect, part of that is not nickel and diming us to death. But alas...

 

[HauntedPirate]

Remember - You can't hold Disney to the standards they created for themselves over the past 50 years. You can only hold them to today's standards. And next year, you can only hold them to the standards then. Who cares if the Magic Kingdom used to be open from 8am - midnight during the summer? That's in the past. Sure, park tickets are far more expensive than in 2003, and most have doubled in price since 2005, and there's been only a modicum of new things added since then. That's in the past. They neglected the parks for a decade. That's in the past, look at what they're doing now - Rip-and-replace, with a slight increase in number of attractions. Disney used to not charge for things like "preferred" fireworks viewing. That's in the past. Just accept things as they are, ignore the past, and all your negativity just MAGICALLY!!! goes away.

@George said something similar to what I've posted previously - WDW is cashing in on past loyalty and nostalgia. Spot. On. Correct. In fact, his whole post was just so damn good and accurate.

 

[kong1802]

That’s not what I said. Vent, sure.
But if you catch yourself in thread after thread , or convo after convo talking about the diminished value at WDW, then maybe it’s time to reassess personal choices on vacation destinations. Disney is not a “need” in life, in any aspect. It’s purely a “want”. As such, it will continue to evolve, change, switch, etc etc etc. with pricing and with options. Just like every single other form of entertainment.

On the other side, if you catch yourself complaining about complaining on thread after thread....

 

[larryz]

I look at what something will cost me, and I make the decision if it is worth it to me. There is no point in bemoaning what a vacation cost a few years ago, it’s irrelevant to the current decision process of booking said vacation or not.
You are in control of You.

Do you buy coffee? Or ice cream? Have you noticed that a "pound" of coffee is down to 12 ounces? Or a "half-gallon" of ice cream is down to 1.5 quarts?

Did the price go down with the size reduction? No?

Congratulations, you're an American consumer being surreptitiously downsized. IOW, you're getting less product for the same price.

Kind of like MK closing earlier and earlier, without a commensurate reduction in ticket prices.

True, a savvy consumer will note that the cost per ounce has gone up. Just like some savvy Disney consumers have noted hours reductions, declining quality, and the loss of live entertainment options.

Is the value still there in WDW? That's up to the consumer to decide. But some people are clearly past the decision point on that one, and have decided to move on.

 

[21stamps]

On the other side, if you catch yourself complaining about complaining on thread after thread....

To be fair, I specifically came in this thread to comment on the After Hours event and how i think it’s nice that they’re offering it during a different time of year.
Then got caught up in some synonym questioning.. and then value questions.. which my response to those is always the same, in any thread about pricing or the extra events.

Do you buy coffee? Or ice cream? Have you noticed that a "pound" of coffee is down to 12 ounces? Or a "half-gallon" of ice cream is down to 1.5 quarts?

Did the price go down with the size reduction? No?

Congratulations, you're an American consumer being surreptitiously downsized. IOW, you're getting less product for the same price.

Kind of like MK closing earlier and earlier, without a commensurate reduction in ticket prices.

True, a savvy consumer will note that the cost per ounce has gone up. Just like some savvy Disney consumers have noted hours reductions, declining quality, and the loss of live entertainment options.

Is the value still there in WDW? That's up to the consumer to decide. But some people are clearly past the decision point on that one, and have decided to move on.

I’ve noticed that a lot of prices have risen and a lot of things that were once included are no longer included, almost everywhere I go. I’ve noticed that competitive youth sports have become a ridiculously expense business with more required than ever before, both time and money wise. I’ve noticed that I’ve been paying for a museum membership to a basically closed museum for the better part 2 years. I’ve noticed that I no longer get “free” room service on most cruise lines. I’ve also noticed that the amusement park we frequent has drastically shortened their hours in the past 2 years, and have drastically increased their pricing on some of their ‘extras’ that we always purchase. I still love it there, and I still love Disney.
If at any point I stop loving or finding value in Disney vacations or any other of our recreational activities, or even kiddo’s sports- then I’ll stop. I won’t pay for it, and then complain about the value not being there if I received what was advertised. They’re all just extras, none of them are an actual need.