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BrianLo

BrianLo

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celluloid said:
2005 to 2014 was not Eisner.

There is a reason so many billions promised are needed. It's been to decades bub. He's promising to fix his own mess.
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You need to read what I wrote again.

I’m talking about three decades;
1. Eisner’s last decade
2. Bob’s First Decade
3. Bob’s second decade.

1. Bad decisions, with weaning investment
2. Worse investment (lowest point)
3. Better

8B would place it more towards the good, not stagnant side. Significantly above 2004-14. 17B would be an amazing investment decade; at least in terms of capital. Decisions are one thing, stagnation another.
 
Brer Panther

Brer Panther

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Did you know that Jerry Nelson trained Matt Vogel to take over as his characters?
EagleScout610 said:
Supposedly Pete Linz was Statler for the game awards.
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Peter Linz has been the official performer of Statler since 2017 (he also took over for Steve as Lips and Link Hogthrob).
Blobbles said:
I still bad for Vogel. He was put in a position nobody could truly suceeed in. While he isn’t my personal favorite, it’s not entirely his fault.
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There are far, far worse Kermits than Matt's. Not just impressions in random YouTube and TikTok videos... remember Artie Esposito's Kermit from 2009? No disrespect towards Artie, but that was pretty off-putting...

Heck, there have been far worse officially performed Muppets than Matt OR Artie's Kermit. Matt's Robin was pretty bad (even he apparently admitted that he had difficulty with Robin, which is why he let Peter take over after he became Kermit). Or how about Kevin Clash's Sam the Eagle?
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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Blobbles said:
I would love the Simpsons at dhs. I can somewhat get where people are coming from in AC, but me personally, I still want Springfield to come to dhs. Although if Disney doesn’t want a full big land, I still think Simpsons could fit in at dhs. Maybe a more smaller, “muppets courtyard” like area with a smaller supporting ride, and a shop and a moes and a krusty burger with a donut stand somewhere. That’d be nice.
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That would basically just be a copy of what's at Universal, though. I hope Disney doesn't want to do that.
 
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celluloid

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BrianLo said:
You need to read what I wrote again.

I’m talking about three decades;
1. Eisner’s last decade
2. Bob’s First Decade
3. Bob’s second decade.

1. Bad decisions, with weaning investment
2. Worse investment (lowest point)
3. Better

8B would place it more towards the good, not stagnant side. Significantly above 2004-14. 17B would be an amazing investment decade; at least in terms of capital. Decisions are one thing, stagnation another.
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I think you should read what you wrote earlier and this post.
The billions is trying to fix it from being stagnant means the last two decades were in fact, stagnant.

They are playing catch up and rushing decisions because of stagnation. "Quick, we gave them star wars land already, too little too late so, give them the door coaster, but make it a land, a RNR retheme."
Proof is in the need.
 
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James Alucobond

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celluloid said:
I think you should read what you wrote earlier and this post.
The billions is trying to fix it from being stagnant means the last two decades were in fact, stagnant.

They are playing catch up and rushing decisions because of stagnation. "Quick, we gave them star wars land already, too little too late so, give them the door coaster, but make it a land, a RNR retheme."
Proof is in the need.
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You’re basically saying the same thing he’s saying, just in less charitable terms that don’t really acknowledge that a lot has been done in the last decade. You’re right that it’s not enough and that there is still an immense need for improvement, but that’s the downstream effect of stagnation as policy (billed as “maturity”) from quite a while ago. The parks are basically half updated and half not because there was a missing chunk of 15-20 years in terms of proper investment, which still has a very palpable impact today in spite of not being wholly representative of the recent past.
 
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Blobbles

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A lot of the pain I am also guessing comes from the hurt of seeing the Disney World/Parks that you have come to grow up with and enjoy over your life changing so drastically. I get it. I’m there and have been there before too. Hell, I remember when Toy Story Mania and Star Tours the adventures continue were the hot new additions to Disney world, when things like the hat and toontown still remained, and wishes and illuminations still showed nightly. Disney World is changing, and that suck for us because we get so emotionally invested and attached to what we have now. But I promised it’s not gonna be that bad. It’s better to be optimistic than to be “this sucks”. And don’t give me any of that “imagineering is dead ip” cr*p, give them a chance in an era unconnected to chapek.
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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Blobbles said:
A lot of the pain I am also guessing comes from the hurt of seeing the Disney World/Parks that you have come to grow up with and enjoy over your life changing so drastically. I get it. I’m there and have been there before too. Hell, I remember when Toy Story Mania and Star Tours the adventures continue were the hot new additions to Disney world, when things like the hat and toontown still remained, and wishes and illuminations still showed nightly. Disney World is changing, and that suck for us because we get so emotionally invested and attached to what we have now. But I promised it’s not gonna be that bad. It’s better to be optimistic than to be “this sucks”. And don’t give me any of that “imagineering is dead ip” cr*p, give them a chance in an era unconnected to chapek.
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Chapek was hand-picked by Iger and continued most of his overarching philosophy concerning WDW.

I’ve seemingly been around much longer then you and I can say, based on long experience of Disney replacements and changes to Imagineering over that time, there is absolutely no chance that whatever replaces Muppets will be better then or equal to the current attraction. I love MMRR, but that’s the PEAK of replacement attractions and it was only a lateral move. Replacements simply don’t surpass originals, and it certainly won’t happen with an attraction largely created by a once-in-a-generation genius. We have ample evidence that modern Imagineering simply cannot write comedy - the Bears overhaul removed almost all humor and the writing in GotG is appalling.
 
aladdin2007

aladdin2007

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Casper Gutman said:
Chapek was hand-picked by Iger and continued most of his overarching philosophy concerning WDW.

I’ve seemingly been around much longer then you and I can say, based on long experience of Disney replacements and changes to Imagineering over that time, there is absolutely no chance that whatever replaces Muppets will be better then or equal to the current attraction. I love MMRR, but that’s the PEAK of replacement attractions and it was only a lateral move. Replacements simply don’t surpass originals, and it certainly won’t happen with an attraction largely created by a once-in-a-generation genius. We have ample evidence that modern Imagineering simply cannot write comedy - the Bears overhaul removed almost all humor and the writing in GotG is appalling.
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And to add to that we wont even start on the tiana mess, so agree with all the above. One can't blame one for thinking Imagineerings chops are not what they use to be and lack the artistic creative skilled approach they use to have, they are techys using tablets now and not so much artists show designers.
 
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celluloid

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And to be clear a
since it was recently asked if we really want Diney to do what Uni is doing, I don't think anyone wants Disney to do what Universal is doing per se, but Universal at their best is better than whatever current Disney is doing.
 
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