Just as an added note, Greg worked on a few of the concept pieces released this past weekend:
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Just as an added note, Greg worked on a few of the concept pieces released this past weekend:
BrianLo
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We simply won’t see eye to eye on this one. But I really feel like the screen media attractions have a shelf life. Even if that means it’s remastered with a new whatever the 3D character is named. It certainly doesn’t mean new IS inherently better, but there comes a time when we need new. I really for example feel like China needs a new film, but perhaps that’s unfair since it’s so much more visibly dated.
I unfortunately think my position is more representative of the general public. This doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate loving nostalgia. I’d point to the new Adventure treehouse at Disneyland as how to thread the needle correctly.
SirLink
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Bing Maps has you covered
CaptinEO
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I agree with this take 100%.
I'm surprised how many people put this show on a pedestal. It's a decent show
but nothing timeless.
Waldo and Figment are the most annoying characters Disney has ever made.
I am a man of two minds on this. I do think 3D films themselves are Inherently going to be dated. But muppetvision is so well written, so much more than a 3D film effects wise. I’d be more open to it if the muppets were to get a ground up ride, but there is no realistic path to that, and who knows how well written it would be with modern muppets. I wish great muppet movie ride got built, because that could’ve been something truly timeless.
ToTBellHop
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They won’t have much room for a show but imagine this except it’s Sully:
And no, HOP muppets still wouldn’t solve it. Muppets need a physical thing like an actual ride. No way they get it.
Moth
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Figment isn't annoying....
MKeeler
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What burns me about even the potential that the Muppet area is an option for Monstropolis, is that everything outlined in red below should be considered for expansion before anything is replaced. I realize I have Mermaid and One Man’s Dream in that area, but those are most easily moved. Everything else (minus any chiller or absolute park necessity infrastructure that I’m not certain of), should be more than enough to cover Monstropolis and Zootopia, side by side and completely filling out that side of the park. If Simpsons has to go somewhere then, put it in Echo Lake and Indy, completing the transformation from a behind the scenes park to a park of various film worlds. Then there’s everything, Monstropolis, Zootopia, Springfield, and Muppets. I’m just tired of all the taking when what’s needed is multiple, multiple additions.
doctornick
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I tend to agree. I will however say that if the Monsters concept at Grand Ave involves replacing MV with a Monsters show and having the door coaster, it is less of an issue going there although it would still suck after MV closes and this would open.
Waldo really is the worst, but you leave Figment out of this!
I understand it's not as simple as moving the film, since there are animatronics & in-theater effects, but they have so many theaters showing filler (Mickey Shorts, Disney/Pixar Short Film Festival), surely MuppetVision would be a better fit for those spaces, and probably cheaper than moving Muppets to HoP.
Like, a muppet dark ride inspired by muppet vision and the original muppet studios concepts could be SO GOOD. hell, make it interactive like ride and go seek to bring people in. The muppets have so much more potential than just shows that have an eventual shelf life. But no way Disney green lights it.
Winter
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He is on the current ride. I was never on the original version but I know the current version is considered way worse, so I assume he's fine there. But he's annoying on the current ride.
Erdago
Member
Disney didn’t make Waldo; the character was created for The Jim Henson Hour in 1989, but was only ever in that show and Muppet Vision 3D.
Due to the character’s sheer obscurity outside of Muppet Vision, it’s abnormal design compared to the rest of the franchise, and the show giving it a clear birth and death in the context of Muppet Vision, it’s very easy to inadvertently think the character was created for the attraction (I certainly did for a very long time).
doctornick
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I would leave One Mans Dream and Mermaid - you can just have the existing Animation Courtyard remain and be the pathway to new land(s) - but otherwise I'd agree. If I were in charge, I would not remove a single existing guest facing thing except (1) Launch Bay and then later (2) Stunt Show and build on all the backstage stuff first. Once all those acres are developed, then okay you can look at MuppetVision or Star Tours or whatever.
MKeeler
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My ongoing dream is a Great Muppet Ride, where you start on something like a Muppet Treasure Island version of Pirates, and Crazy Harry fires a cannon and blows up the wrong part, sending your boat through Muppet versions of other Disney rides. The Fozzy Bear Jamboree, The Enchanted Chicken Coop, American Sings with Sam Eagle, etc.etc. All ending with a great it’s a small world finale room with the Muppets singing Rainbow Connection. You cannot tell me that would not be an endlessly popular ride, with tremendous repeatability for people to catch all the jokes.
Erdago
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To me, I think it would very much depend on the effort put into it and how they sell it. If they are able to make a high quality dark ride that feels like a passing of the torch to a new era of Muppets, it could be a very bittersweet but understandable passing of time. If the ride is a cheap copy lacking in the charm that has endeared me and millions to the franchise, it would be a cold comfort.