Monorail teal confirmed

jakeman

Well-Known Member
Please. Some of us have long since stopped giving Disney the benefit of the doubt because we know how it operates.
That doesn't make you right. It just makes you arrogant.

Again, just read what's out there ... of course, you'll likely turn it around and say that anyone who complains about Disney's change in policies is just a disgruntled CM or ex-CM.
When have I ever done that in the past? I've always said we should wait until the full report is out before casting stones.

There's no way you can be wrong here unless the NTSB throws the book at Disney and we both know that's highly unlikely.
No, I don't know that. I work in an industry that is highly regulated by the government and I know the details these investigations can get to. I have no idea what the investigation will reveil or what occured that night. Neither do you.

It doesn't change what goes on and has gone down.
But it gives you freedom to cast judgements with half formed opinions, hersey, and a belief in your own rightousness? Get over yourself.

And don't you even dare suggest that I don't want to see justice served if there was an error or that I am in anyway implying that the young man's death should be covered up.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
Everything or nothing. If the NTSB release some initial thoughts or recommendations that could be part of a general restructuring.

We tend to act on any government recommendations as soon as possible in my industry.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
What does that have to do with the crash though?

Not much beyond general commentary on Disney's management culture.

You can have a multi-million dollar fatal accident on your watch, following your policies (He's a boss, they're ultimately responsible) and you can still get promoted.

Thats what disappoints me about Disney's management. Someone has to be responsible and no one ever seems to be.

The NTSB can only make recommendations within its report. They don't have the power to make anyone do anything. But they can cause Disney a PR headache/nightmare.

IMO this accident was entirely preventable.

Beyond that, Its good to find that they're going to get a train into service before the Holidays.
 

mickey2008.1

Well-Known Member
We also both know that past and present rail CMs have been vocal regarding the changes in procedures that led to the tragedy as well as other issues.

And I'm willing to bet that when the report comes out it'll largely be skewed toward the CMs working that night and not toward the changes that have been made in the name of saving money and keeping guests happy and moving quickly.

And then you and many others will simply chalk it up to some badseed CMs and Disney will continue to operate as usual.

get off your high horse, USAF, we have tradgedies everyday, one person just happens, we dont just shut down a fleet because of a wreck. You move on and fix the problems. You want to b----, complain about something worthwhile, not your precious little park and one person!
Indeed, if you've been paying attention you'll note that Disney supervisors have been present when subordinates have been interviewed by the NTSB ... that's a sure-fire way (especially in this economy/job market) to guarantee you don't get honest answers.

You'll also note how many times the trains have gone down suddenly for hours a day.

Doesn't seem like a death has done much to change the way transport is run at WDW.[/QUOTE]
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
What about the president of trans?

There is no President of Transportation. They have a VP in charge of Transportation. The existing one was now promoted to VP in charge of DAK.

I believe all the VPs would report to Meg Crofton who is President of WDW. So if you really want to hold someone responsible, its her.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
We also both know that past and present rail CMs have been vocal regarding the changes in procedures that led to the tragedy as well as other issues.

And I'm willing to bet that when the report comes out it'll largely be skewed toward the CMs working that night and not toward the changes that have been made in the name of saving money and keeping guests happy and moving quickly.

And then you and many others will simply chalk it up to some badseed CMs and Disney will continue to operate as usual.

get off your high horse, USAF, we have tradgedies everyday, one person just happens, we dont just shut down a fleet because of a wreck. You move on and fix the problems. You want to b----, complain about something worthwhile, not your precious little park and one person!
Indeed, if you've been paying attention you'll note that Disney supervisors have been present when subordinates have been interviewed by the NTSB ... that's a sure-fire way (especially in this economy/job market) to guarantee you don't get honest answers.

You'll also note how many times the trains have gone down suddenly for hours a day.

Doesn't seem like a death has done much to change the way transport is run at WDW.
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Can you edit this so we know whom you are quoting and what you mean? Thanks.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
get off your high horse, USAF, we have tradgedies everyday, one person just happens, we dont just shut down a fleet because of a wreck. You move on and fix the problems. You want to b----, complain about something worthwhile, not your precious little park and one person
Assuming that this is your statement, the death of anyone by accident is a tradegy. However, as I'm sure is the same in the Air Force (I assume that is what you are referring to), time and care should be taken to identify the precise cause of the accident and what other factors contributed, from SOPs, to management, to individuals working that night.

While I agree that 99.99% of what happens at WDW is trivial, the death of a cast member is not.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by WDW1974
Please. Some of us have long since stopped giving Disney the benefit of the doubt because we know how it operates.

That doesn't make you right. It just makes you arrogant.

You know what, jake? I'm OK with that.

And again, does it ever cross your mind that I may have a good basis for what I write here? Do you ever think 'he may just have access to information that I don't?'


Quote:
Originally Posted by WDW1974
Again, just read what's out there ... of course, you'll likely turn it around and say that anyone who complains about Disney's change in policies is just a disgruntled CM or ex-CM.

When have I ever done that in the past? I've always said we should wait until the full report is out before casting stones.

True enough. But it wasn't a far leap for me to make. And again, the information is out there ... both in the media and on sites/blogs like this. If all you care about is the government's report you're putting a lot of faith in them ... and a lot of folks don't even trust them over say ... health insurance corps that make billions in profit. So one report will completely satisfy you?


Quote:
Originally Posted by WDW1974
There's no way you can be wrong here unless the NTSB throws the book at Disney and we both know that's highly unlikely.

No, I don't know that. I work in an industry that is highly regulated by the government and I know the details these investigations can get to. I have no idea what the investigation will reveil or what occured that night. Neither do you.

Very true. I'm making an educated guess. And I'll stick with it. Regardless of what transpired that tragic night, I don't see the NTSB throwing the book at Disney ... and I know they should.



Quote:
Originally Posted by WDW1974
It doesn't change what goes on and has gone down.

But it gives you freedom to cast judgements with half formed opinions, hersey, and a belief in your own rightousness? Get over yourself.

Nope. I'll cast judgments based upon what I know from rails CMs and ex-CMs who have voiced concerns for years now, as well as what I have read from others and simply knowing how/why Disney changed its policies.

No one says you have to believe a word I write. But guess what? It doesn't matter. It doesn't change reality.

Disney has been cutting corners on safety in transport for years. They got away with it for years. One night in July, they didn't. And a young man died. The only one doing his job correctly, it appears.

And don't you even dare suggest that I don't want to see justice served if there was an error or that I am in anyway implying that the young man's death should be covered up.

I won't suggest anything. Other than you choose to give Disney every benefit of the doubt. Why? Only you can answer that. I think it's pretty obvious there was an error. One train backed into another and killed a guy. That's not what's ever supposed to happen. Safetys were shut off ... but that's OK we're told because Disney created the protocols and they could change them. The spur switch happened with the driver in the front cab, not the back. Again, that's OK because Disney changed policy to make it so and remove yet another layer of safety. The managers who OK'd the switch were at a freaking Denny's enjoying Grand Slams. Again, Disney policy apparently says that's cool. Not one CM in the station was paying attention to throw a kill switch to prevent the pilot from being killed.

It sure seems like a whole lot of things were done wrong -- BUT if they all followed the policies Disney enacted, how could Disney possibly be wrong? It was all just a terrible accident, right?

Um ... no. Not even close.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
You know what, jake? I'm OK with that.

And again, does it ever cross your mind that I may have a good basis for what I write here? Do you ever think 'he may just have access to information that I don't?'
No, because your post are filled with such personal aggression and vitriol towards TDO and "corporations" in general, that I can't really trust most you say. Perhaps if you stopped injecting five pounds of personal and political commentary for every one ounce of fact you present you would be taken a little more seriously.

True enough. But it wasn't a far leap for me to make. And again, the information is out there ... both in the media and on sites/blogs like this. If all you care about is the government's report you're putting a lot of faith in them ... and a lot of folks don't even trust them over say ... health insurance corps that make billions in profit. So one report will completely satisfy you?
All this shows is that you have absolutely no perspective when you throw health care into a debate like this. You sound like a crazy person.

So let me get this straight, we can't trust Disney because they are evil. We can't trust the government because evil Disney is canoodling with them. So we should just trust your CM buddies? Rumors and opinions are a great way to get justice served and affect change.

Very true. I'm making an educated guess. And I'll stick with it. Regardless of what transpired that tragic night, I don't see the NTSB throwing the book at Disney ... and I know they should.
No your not making an educated guess. You are making a biased guess based on your own negative views of Disney and the governement. An educated guess would realize the limit of the information we have and would patiently wait.

Nope. I'll cast judgments based upon what I know from rails CMs and ex-CMs who have voiced concerns for years now, as well as what I have read from others and simply knowing how/why Disney changed its policies.

No one says you have to believe a word I write. But guess what? It doesn't matter. It doesn't change reality.
You're right is doesn't change what happened, but it doesn't mean you can't wait until all the facts are in and official before making a final judgement on the issue.

Your reality might not be the truth, or it might be. All I'm saying is that "innocent until proven guilty" works pretty well. That is not the benefit of the doubt, it's the right thing to do.

Disney has been cutting corners on safety in transport for years. They got away with it for years. One night in July, they didn't. And a young man died. The only one doing his job correctly, it appears.
And where the breakdown was and the factors that contributed will be identified. Beyond that, I don't know what will happen.

I won't suggest anything. Other than you choose to give Disney every benefit of the doubt. Why? Only you can answer that. I think it's pretty obvious there was an error. One train backed into another and killed a guy. That's not what's ever supposed to happen. Safetys were shut off ... but that's OK we're told because Disney created the protocols and they could change them. The spur switch happened with the driver in the front cab, not the back. Again, that's OK because Disney changed policy to make it so and remove yet another layer of safety. The managers who OK'd the switch were at a freaking Denny's enjoying Grand Slams. Again, Disney policy apparently says that's cool. Not one CM in the station was paying attention to throw a kill switch to prevent the pilot from being killed.

It sure seems like a whole lot of things were done wrong -- BUT if they all followed the policies Disney enacted, how could Disney possibly be wrong? It was all just a terrible accident, right?

Um ... no. Not even close.
Wow, it's like you don't even read what I write before going off on one of your rants. There was a failure that night on some level, whether it be an individual or a group of CMs who broke SOP, or the SOP itself, or both. The NTSB report is going to be the closest thing we have to a complete picture of what happened.

The only thing I have said throughout this whole conversation is we should wait and cast judgement on the final product. I've never given Disney the benefit of the doubt in this case. In fact, if it does turn out to be an SOP failure, I'll be right beside you calling for management's head, and I've said that before. However, I'm going to wait until we have facts and a complete picture.

The only thing that could make this situation worse is if a rush to judgement resulted in the wrong person losing their job, or the wrong SOP being changed.
 

Fantasia freak

New Member
A fellow cast member said she saw Teal out on the resort beam yesterday afternoon. it was going from Contemp to Poly and didnt stop at TTC on the way, just drove right through. Maybe some trials going on or something. If true, good chance it will be out again today. someone should have pics soon.
 

EpScott

Member
Hello fellow Indiana-er. (I don't say Hoosier because I'm a Boilermaker and Hoosiers wear cream and crimson!).

OT, but, I feel for you if you really have to travel I-69 every day. They might as well not even mention it on radio traffic reports, because it's kind of a given that there are back-ups and wrecks every single day. I avoid I-69 like the plague (or H1N1)!

:wave:


Well, you & my brother (Hrudey3032) ought to be pretty happy after Saturday's win over THE Ohio State University!!!!!!!!!!
I was in Avon just a few weeks back, on the day of the NHRA finals @ O.R.P.

That's what I think is so neat about this site----to find people in my region who also share a fondness for the Mouse (or the World!):wave:
 

EpScott

Member
Ew I would avoid 465 no matter what has happened on it!

Well, I live at Post & Washington, so I take 465 all the time (as well as I-70) since it's only a mile away!!!!

Oh yeah----how 'bout them Cards?!?! Remember what Letterman says: They're the fiercest robin-sized birds known to man!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

----------------Scott (BSU '93)
 

Tom

Beta Return
Well, you & my brother (Hrudey3032) ought to be pretty happy after Saturday's win over THE Ohio State University!!!!!!!!!!
I was in Avon just a few weeks back, on the day of the NHRA finals @ O.R.P.

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out that win.

I live just a few miles SW of ORP (IRP). When the drags are running, all I hear at my house all day is "Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt" 2-min pause "Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt."
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
There is no President of Transportation. They have a VP in charge of Transportation. The existing one was now promoted to VP in charge of DAK.

I believe all the VPs would report to Meg Crofton who is President of WDW. So if you really want to hold someone responsible, its her.
Would that help certain things? :lookaroun :D
 

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