mmzplanet
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They could go with a Blue-Green and call it Monorail Aqua.
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Monorail Accident
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They could go with a Blue-Green and call it Monorail Aqua.
Hmm. I don't remember mentioning about the sick CM as that's the first I'd read about it. But I am getting old.
And speculation is bad. Because to me, a layman, who is just going on reports here and in the newspaper, it sounds like at least one person was derelict in their duty. Like the person in charge was downing a Grand Slam breakfast when they were supposed to be at their post. That instead of looking at the console with a flashing red light on it they were looking at the menu.
Now this is probably very wrong. But if it is, then it's important to get that information into the hands of the public so that laypeople like me don't speculate and draw the worst conclusion. But in light of an explanation and reports of managers at Denny's what are we supposed to think?
? - Has Iger issued a statement?
mikeymouse
Well-Known Member
There is one on 192 between World Dr and the old Splendid China.
Slipknot
Well-Known Member
Why would he? Other than being the CEO of the company, he has nothing to do with it. :shrug:
Figment4Ever
Member
According to the article about the funeral (http://www.wftv.com/news/19994709/detail.html) a vice president of the company was there...but not sure why Bob Iger would say anything publically, unless this turns into even more of a public relations nightmare than it already is.
BadTigger
Active Member
Ok neither are close, I can't see them leaving a post like that.
I've been following this thread pretty closely, so I apologize if any of this has been covered already.
First, I want to thank board57796 for his contributions to the topic. He clearly has some insight with the monorail system and has provided much needed facts and details when speculation was rampant. I have learned more about the monorails than I could ever imagine thanks to him. I hope he's not putting himself at risk by divulging "insider" info.
Inasmuch as I understand the operations, Central is responsible for telling trains where and when to go. The shop is responsible only for making the switches. Is there some reason for this division of responsibility? Are the switches so technically complex that only a highly trained monorail maintenance person can operate them?
I'm guessing that switching, for the most part, is only done during start up and shut down periods. The point being that there might not be someone sitting at the switch controls all day. There just isn't that much to do. So this person is likely to have other responsibilities in the shop that divert his attention from the switch controls. I'm imagining a scenario where a guy is sweeping up one corner of the shop, a radio call comes in to throw a switch, he has to stop what he's doing, cross the shop, make a switch, radio it back, and then go back to his "other" job. I may be totally off the mark on this assumption.
What I'm wondering is why can't the switches, at least those on the main lines, be put under the control of Central in the tower? This consolidates the control and monitoring processes in one room with one or two people overseeing. Central moves a train, Central throws the switch, Central clears the train, Central returns the switch to it's normal position. This eliminates the assumptions made on the part of two different individuals separated by several miles of Florida marsh.
Couple this with a system using GPS transmitters to track each train's precise location and you could make the system that much more safe.
At least as safe as any human designed/built/operated mechanical system can be.
First, I want to thank board57796 for his contributions to the topic. He clearly has some insight with the monorail system and has provided much needed facts and details when speculation was rampant. I have learned more about the monorails than I could ever imagine thanks to him. I hope he's not putting himself at risk by divulging "insider" info.
Inasmuch as I understand the operations, Central is responsible for telling trains where and when to go. The shop is responsible only for making the switches. Is there some reason for this division of responsibility? Are the switches so technically complex that only a highly trained monorail maintenance person can operate them?
I'm guessing that switching, for the most part, is only done during start up and shut down periods. The point being that there might not be someone sitting at the switch controls all day. There just isn't that much to do. So this person is likely to have other responsibilities in the shop that divert his attention from the switch controls. I'm imagining a scenario where a guy is sweeping up one corner of the shop, a radio call comes in to throw a switch, he has to stop what he's doing, cross the shop, make a switch, radio it back, and then go back to his "other" job. I may be totally off the mark on this assumption.
What I'm wondering is why can't the switches, at least those on the main lines, be put under the control of Central in the tower? This consolidates the control and monitoring processes in one room with one or two people overseeing. Central moves a train, Central throws the switch, Central clears the train, Central returns the switch to it's normal position. This eliminates the assumptions made on the part of two different individuals separated by several miles of Florida marsh.
Couple this with a system using GPS transmitters to track each train's precise location and you could make the system that much more safe.
At least as safe as any human designed/built/operated mechanical system can be.
wild01ride
Well-Known Member
Honestly speaking, I don't think "being close" matters at all here really.
The fact of the matter is that it seems as though it is "acceptable" for Control to not be in the Control Tower. That said, they are relying on radio communication, which, although not as thorough as having a full control console in front of you, can be moderately effective when monitored and executed well.
Air Traffic controllers have limited console-based informationa and rely significantly on accurate radio communication.
The problem comes in when you have someone who is relying on radio communication who is not dedicating their attention to what is being communicated.
Honestly speaking, if Control does not need to be in the Tower, it would be conceivable that they could be in a different country and still accomplish the job. However, I wouldn't appreciate them ordering their sunny-side up eggs while waiting to hear back about the switch position confirmation.
In the end, as board said, it may not be a big influence what the on-duty, Control, or whoever was doing in this case, but in general, it would be nice to think that the #1 who is coordinating movement of heavy machinery with people inside would be paying close attention to the radio!
I think this accident reflects very poorly on the entire Disney brand. If I were the CEO, I would be making sure this doesn't happen again. From what I saw on my last trip, there were some issues at Walt Disney World that weren't good. This accident, in my opinion, makes me question the safety on all the rides, the transportation and the operations at WDW.
RiversideBunny
New Member
Unlike the past fatalities of CM's at WDW, where the CM was involved in an unfortunate individual movement or position, this accident on the monorail system was a procedural error. The system caused it.
That's an important distinction from a root cause perspective, from a corrective action standpoint, and maybe even for legal liability.
That's an important distinction from a root cause perspective, from a corrective action standpoint, and maybe even for legal liability.
Not to answer for the initial poster, but I assumed they was being sarcastic. Hence the whole: He's only the CEO. I could be wrong, but that's how I read it. I'm not sure what I think, but I would have liked to have read it if he did issue one.
hardcard
New Member
right... I saw the NON crushed nose on purple through the single rear door on the shop
board57796
New Member
You're very welcome. I am really impressed with how quickly everyone has picked up on what I've said and now have a better understanding of the MAPO system, switches, etc as a Platform Only CM (you work platform only for a month before you drive train.) And came here to start a thread, but wanted to wait for more info. I couldnt stand seeing people saying it may have been suicide, or that he was too young.
Posted Today
To: MEDIA
From: The voice of MANY former Monorail Pilots
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19995851/detail.html
At end of article
To: MEDIA
From: The voice of MANY former Monorail Pilots
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19995851/detail.html
At end of article
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
You never know... The person who got sick might have "transferred power" to the person at Denny's right as they were in the middle of eating, and that person might have figured they'd quickly finish and get back. That would leave at least a 15-20 minute window (including drive time and getting back on site) for this tragedy to happen and look REALLY bad... When really there was no intent to shirk off the duty.
But you're right... Perception is massively important when it comes to this kind of thing. I'm quite sure TWDC didn't want anyone anonymously reporting that the person in charge was at DENNY'S. Eeek. Not good PR.
Unless you're Denny's, I suppose... :lookaroun
RiversideBunny
New Member
board57796, if someone wanted to be a monorail pilot, what training do they go through? Does the CM ride with an experienced pilot, or use a simulator, etc.?
Tks.
